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Girl Guides and the SC judgement

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Timefordrama · 22/04/2025 21:15

It was the Girl Guides' trans policies which first opened my eyes to the nonsense. I've just checked their website and they are still saying that trans girls can use girls' toilets and changing rooms, and share accommodation with whoever they want. There's no indication that the policies are gong to be reviewed in the light of the SC judgement. Anyone know any more about this?

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murasaki · 27/07/2026 14:45

He seems to have vanished. Unsurprisingly.

Boiledbeetle · 27/07/2026 14:42

AimsAndObjectives · 27/07/2026 14:20

Yes, very interesting to see all the unfamiliar usernames. I wish he had done an AIBU

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He may as well have done. It's top of trending, so if his hope was to find a quiet board that would be in his favour he fucked that up.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 27/07/2026 14:26

FictionalCharacter · 27/07/2026 13:23

That is magnificent! 😂

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And now I’m surprisingly invested in whether or not Harry’s gay. Never even thought about him before 😅

AimsAndObjectives · 27/07/2026 14:20

murasaki · 27/07/2026 14:17

Yes, there are a whole host of people whose usernames i don't recognise from this section all handing him his arse on a plate.

Delightful!

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Yes, very interesting to see all the unfamiliar usernames. I wish he had done an AIBU

murasaki · 27/07/2026 14:17

Datun · 27/07/2026 14:14

It's funny really. By posting on the LGBT parents/children thread, he's actually exposed the flaws in his argument and his self entitlement to even more people.

As a pp said, he's now getting ripped to shreds by two sets of Mumsnetters.

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Yes, there are a whole host of people whose usernames i don't recognise from this section all handing him his arse on a plate.

Delightful!

Datun · 27/07/2026 14:14

It's funny really. By posting on the LGBT parents/children thread, he's actually exposed the flaws in his argument and his self entitlement to even more people.

As a pp said, he's now getting ripped to shreds by two sets of Mumsnetters.

Boiledbeetle · 27/07/2026 13:59

Helleofabore · 27/07/2026 13:41

user08101988
“Thank you for letting me know you are slow. Biology lesson: "Men who self identify as women" are women. The evidence is clear too. Trans women who have had investigative brain scans show that their brains are basically identical to that of a woman (with slight variation because we are all different). If it isn't the brain, then what is it? Are you reducing that validity of women down to if they have a vagina? If so, that is extremely regressive to society. If you can find evidence to disprove that, I would be impressed.”

I think you will find that the brain scan studies have been shown to be poor in methodology because the one that gets linked to here most often had included outlier results for male people to make the range not meaningful, and they did not control for same sex attraction in male people which tends to impact the range grouping as well.

The point though remained that the group of male people with transgender identities did not fit in the range of female scan results. They only ‘approached’ it which could be also due to sexual orientation.

The only way to be a woman is to be a human born with a body formation that is based around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether that body has ever or will ever produce those gametes. A person born with a body formed around the production of small gametes is not female and therefore is not a girl or a woman.

This was his post on the other thread, which includes the study that doesn't say what he wants it to say:

user08101988 · Today 12:42
So, trans women are women. I have the evidence too. This is a study done by the NIH looking into the neuro-anatomy of 24 trans women pre-hormone therapy. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/
There are also currently a total of 92 sex offenders who are trans women (this is 0.000135% of the population btw).
CNN did research into bathroom issues in the USA comparing states with inclusive laws vs. bans for trans women. They called various police departments and asked for crime data to do with trans people in the bathrooms that correspond with their perceived gender in both types of state. The conclusion showed that the inclusive law states had significantly lower instances of sexual assault in bathrooms as a whole. In the inclusive law states, many police departments reported 0 crimes.

Brain Sex in Transgender Women Is Shifted towards Gender Identity - PMC

Transgender people report discomfort with their birth sex and a strong identification with the opposite sex. The current study was designed to shed further light on the question of whether the brains of transgender people resemble their birth sex or .....

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/

Helleofabore · 27/07/2026 13:41

user08101988
“Thank you for letting me know you are slow. Biology lesson: "Men who self identify as women" are women. The evidence is clear too. Trans women who have had investigative brain scans show that their brains are basically identical to that of a woman (with slight variation because we are all different). If it isn't the brain, then what is it? Are you reducing that validity of women down to if they have a vagina? If so, that is extremely regressive to society. If you can find evidence to disprove that, I would be impressed.”

I think you will find that the brain scan studies have been shown to be poor in methodology because the one that gets linked to here most often had included outlier results for male people to make the range not meaningful, and they did not control for same sex attraction in male people which tends to impact the range grouping as well.

The point though remained that the group of male people with transgender identities did not fit in the range of female scan results. They only ‘approached’ it which could be also due to sexual orientation.

The only way to be a woman is to be a human born with a body formation that is based around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether that body has ever or will ever produce those gametes. A person born with a body formed around the production of small gametes is not female and therefore is not a girl or a woman.

AimsAndObjectives · 27/07/2026 13:28

murasaki · 27/07/2026 13:10

I assume so.

It would be unkind of me to ask how that's working out for him.

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So, so badly 😁

Boiledbeetle · 27/07/2026 13:25

Igneococcus · 27/07/2026 13:01

'm not sure I'd be brave enough to be patronizing to Boily.

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I'm a sweetheart me. Made out of pure honey!

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FictionalCharacter · 27/07/2026 13:23

SqueakyDinosaur · 27/07/2026 13:06

@user08101988's mysterious "proof" that is so precious and convincing that it has to be kept under wraps has reminded me of this marvellous little video: Two elderly British actors reenact a Youtube comment fight between Justin Bieber fans. : r/videos https://share.google/9UMXgFB3m8nuTephk It still makes me laugh.

That is magnificent! 😂

murasaki · 27/07/2026 13:10

Igneococcus · 27/07/2026 13:09

Was the new thread started in the LGBT children forum rather than in FWR because user345345454 (can't be arsed to look up the actual number) was hoping for more backup from the posters there than here?

I assume so.

It would be unkind of me to ask how that's working out for him.

AimsAndObjectives · 27/07/2026 13:10

nutmeg7 · 27/07/2026 12:42

“Honey”
?

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🎵Ah, sugar, sugar 🎵

GreyskySexRealistsky · 27/07/2026 13:10

Igneococcus · 27/07/2026 13:09

Was the new thread started in the LGBT children forum rather than in FWR because user345345454 (can't be arsed to look up the actual number) was hoping for more backup from the posters there than here?

He clearly thought the mummies there would be nicer to him than the, erm, hags over here 😄
He was wrong

Igneococcus · 27/07/2026 13:09

Was the new thread started in the LGBT children forum rather than in FWR because user345345454 (can't be arsed to look up the actual number) was hoping for more backup from the posters there than here?

SqueakyDinosaur · 27/07/2026 13:06

@user08101988's mysterious "proof" that is so precious and convincing that it has to be kept under wraps has reminded me of this marvellous little video: Two elderly British actors reenact a Youtube comment fight between Justin Bieber fans. : r/videos https://share.google/9UMXgFB3m8nuTephk It still makes me laugh.

murasaki · 27/07/2026 13:01

BettyBooper · 27/07/2026 12:59

One does wonder, given that trans identifying males definitely have laydee brains (fact), why their posts so often come across as so male on MN?

I mystery for the ages....

It always astonishes me that they think we can't tell.

Igneococcus · 27/07/2026 13:01

nutmeg7 · 27/07/2026 12:42

“Honey”
?

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'm not sure I'd be brave enough to be patronizing to Boily.

Hoardasurass · 27/07/2026 13:00

murasaki · 27/07/2026 12:54

Pedant! 🤣

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Guilty as charged 🤣

BettyBooper · 27/07/2026 12:59

One does wonder, given that trans identifying males definitely have laydee brains (fact), why their posts so often come across as so male on MN?

I mystery for the ages....

GreyskySexRealistsky · 27/07/2026 12:57

DialSquare · 27/07/2026 12:55

Shame he didn’t start one in AIBU!

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There's time yet

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2026 12:56

I was going to suggest that. With a poll

DialSquare · 27/07/2026 12:55

GreyskySexRealistsky · 27/07/2026 12:53

Just took a look at that thread - he's now getting taken to pieces simultaneously on two threads, not just one

Must be some kind of humiliation thing

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Shame he didn’t start one in AIBU!

murasaki · 27/07/2026 12:54

Hoardasurass · 27/07/2026 12:53

The plural of haggis is haggi

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Pedant! 🤣

Hoardasurass · 27/07/2026 12:53

murasaki · 27/07/2026 12:47

Ì like to think of them as similar to those fluffy little haggises, two legs shorter than the others, running pointlessly around in circles on a hill.

Please tell me they're like that.

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The plural of haggis is haggi