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Politicians respond to the SC judgement

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ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 10:59

A thread to gather politicians' responses to yesterday's Supreme Court judgement.

  1. Stella Creasy. She's rather unhelpfully posted a pdf, (and turned off replies), so archive below.

https://archive.ph/8T1Yl

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

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SinnerBoy · 18/04/2025 12:54

KnottyAuty · Yesterday 22:24

Nothing from Kier Starmer on this landmark ruling by the Supreme Court against one of our Nation Governments. But never fear - he’s all over the potholes.

Is it wrong for me to be unable to hear that any other way than as if it were delivered by Jim, from Friday Night Dinner?

SinnerBoy · 18/04/2025 12:15

Lovelyview · Yesterday 20:44

Yay for North Tyneside Labour MP Mary Glindon.

'The poisonous polarisation is finally over. Women’s rights are rightly fully protected.

Oh, she's my MP. Good on her.

ArabellaScott · 18/04/2025 12:04

Yep. I do wonder if there are better PR systems than the modified D'Hondt, which seems to land us with politicians in power on the basis of how unpopular they are.

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WorriedMutha · 18/04/2025 11:56

I'm not a fan of PR but I think it is telling that Maggie Chapman is in office because she was elected under a system that allowed an allocation of extra MSPs based on the percentage of votes picked up by the Greens. A hybrid PR system.
In other words she is not answerable to a constituency and doesn't have a single constituent.
That means she never has to knock on a door and sell this bullshit to a single voter.

DuesToTheDirt · 18/04/2025 11:34

@Waitwhat23 I completely agree. I voted for independence, but I wouldn't know. One reason is the possibility of joining the EU, which I would love in itself but I don't want a trade border with England. The main one, though, is the farcical GRR bill and the lunacy and dogmatic agendas that were revealed through this.

Waitwhat23 · 18/04/2025 11:19

I don't think they're interested in Independence. And I say that as someone who voted SNP for years and who voted yes in the referendum.

When the SNP were a small party with a pipe dream (and my parents who were with the SNP since the 70's used to get laughed at on doorsteps while campaigning for independence), they could paint this picture of a beautiful independent country.

But then they took over. and they got comfortable. They don't want to put themselves on the line, taking full responsibility if things go wrong. No, far better to do what they're doing, passing all sorts of nonsense, with a handy scapegoat if it all goes tits up.

And with a few notable exceptions, our politicians (across all parties) have proven that they can't be trusted, are credulous, dishonest and not very clever to be honest.

What's happened to the Scottish Parliament and Government is a shocking disappointment to be honest.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 10:53

JazzyJelly · 18/04/2025 10:50

I imagine even the Scottish Government are pleased the matter is settled, and they can go back to talking about independence.

Scottish independence is dead for the foreseeable future. The SNP have lost all credibility now.

JazzyJelly · 18/04/2025 10:50

I imagine even the Scottish Government are pleased the matter is settled, and they can go back to talking about independence.

KnottyAuty · 18/04/2025 10:44

ArabellaScott · 18/04/2025 10:27

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7vn1vryyvdo

Confirmation from Shirley Ann Somerville that Scotgov have no intention of challenging the Supreme Court.

'Somerville reiterated that the Scottish government had "no intention" of bringing the gender recognition reforms back to parliament or seeking to overturn the UK government block on the bill.
She said the Supreme Court judgement, as well as updated guidance from the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), would provide clarity on access to public services.
The EHRC said it will release an updated code of conduct for services, including the NHS and prisons, in the summer.
Somerville said Scottish ministers would meet with body next week. The government will also set out its next steps in a statement to parliament in the coming days.'

Edited

Well they had to say that didnt they?
Mere inches away from EHRC enforcement action - anyone seen if NHS Fife provided the requested documents? Yesterday was the deadline

ArabellaScott · 18/04/2025 10:27

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7vn1vryyvdo

Confirmation from Shirley Ann Somerville that Scotgov have no intention of challenging the Supreme Court.

'Somerville reiterated that the Scottish government had "no intention" of bringing the gender recognition reforms back to parliament or seeking to overturn the UK government block on the bill.
She said the Supreme Court judgement, as well as updated guidance from the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), would provide clarity on access to public services.
The EHRC said it will release an updated code of conduct for services, including the NHS and prisons, in the summer.
Somerville said Scottish ministers would meet with body next week. The government will also set out its next steps in a statement to parliament in the coming days.'

A bald man with glasses speaks to the media. He is wearing a black suit, white shirt and purple tie. He is holding his left hand in front of his chest. There is a saltire and a mirror in the background.

John Swinney urged to apologise to women over gender reforms

The call comes after the Supreme Court gave a legal definition of a woman under equality law.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7vn1vryyvdo

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FOJN · 18/04/2025 09:41

Ingenieur · 18/04/2025 00:14

Son of a toolmaker?

Perhaps his dad was a phalloplasty surgeon...

No, I think my assessment is correct. 😁

Igneococcus · 18/04/2025 09:35

GCAcademic · 17/04/2025 22:34

I just knew he was going to give us a squirrel. Potholes. Of course!

Tbf to Keir, there is a real risk we may lose some tourists who are coming West on the A85 this Easter in the grand canyon that has opened up just before you get to the coast in Connel but then again that is really the Scottish governments remit if they could only focus on what is important for a moment.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 09:22

The Tom Slater piece is great as well.

Why take the trans activists’ line that they are the 21st century’s answer to the Suffragettes, when they are clearly much more reminiscent of the misogynists who would show up to Suffragette demonstrations to beat them up?

BuffysBigSister · 18/04/2025 08:25

Was delighted to see my MP, Tracy Gilbert post her thanks on Twitter to FWS.

https://x.com/tracygilbert72/status/1912455239346647492

https://x.com/tracygilbert72/status/1912455239346647492

Crouton19 · 18/04/2025 08:02

Soontobesingles · 17/04/2025 21:46

I am genuinely perplexed how a judgement giving clarity on the rights of 52% of the population becomes a discussion about the effects on 0.05% of the population. It’s pretty obvious to anyone with thinking capacity that if there need to be sex based rights (because of sexism) these need to be based on sex. Rights for other groups should not be impacted by this, also obviously. How could the law have found differently without being a farce?

Well, quite. How often have we been lectured "it's hardly any of the population, it affects so few people, why do you care so much when there are more important issues like the cost of living/ Ukraine/ war in the middle east".

Well, right back at you lads! Why are you getting worked up at a judgment that affects so few people, when some people can't afford their rent?

Skyellaskerry · 18/04/2025 04:56

Datun · 17/04/2025 22:09

Crikey, I've never seen Brendan O'Neill so spittingly crushing. He could crack nuts with that. And he sounds like he'd like nothing more.

Willoughby spent the day furiously doubling down on his delusions of womanhood. ‘I have always been a woman’, he said. Tell that to the jizz you sired your kid with.

They expect women to be the passive validators of their delusions, to bow, compliantly, to their presence in women’s spaces and their insistence on being women. When women withdraw their consent from this post-truth shitshow and say ‘NO’, the lie of their identity starts to crumble. That’s why men are angry – because women are revolting. It’s a story as old as time.

Thank you for sharing, great read!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 01:49

Felinnefine · 17/04/2025 23:02

Ohh I love this article, thank you for posting.

‘I have always been a woman’, he said. Tell that to the jizz you sired your kid with’

‘You will never stop me accessing female spaces. It is my right to use them’, says one. Not anymore it isn’t, you prick’

‘When women withdraw their consent from this post-truth shitshow and say ‘NO’, the lie of their identity starts to crumble. That’s why men are angry – because women are revolting. It’s a story as old as time.’

Amazingly pithy and brilliant piece. I love Brendan’s writing. He consistently, totally, gets it.

Datun · 18/04/2025 00:52

murasaki · 18/04/2025 00:35

0'Neill was, as ever, deliciously cutting. Professor of gibberish did it for me.

🤣

so funny. It's so, no you are

murasaki · 18/04/2025 00:35

0'Neill was, as ever, deliciously cutting. Professor of gibberish did it for me.

Jackiebrambles · 18/04/2025 00:20

Goodness me that Spiked article is delicious!

Ingenieur · 18/04/2025 00:14

FOJN · 17/04/2025 22:32

I'm finding his tweet funnier than it actually is, I think I'm amused by the desperation.

Why is he always so eager to offer up evidence that he's the son of a fool maker?

Son of a toolmaker?

Perhaps his dad was a phalloplasty surgeon...

allstarsuperstar · 18/04/2025 00:08

Ramblingnamechanger · 17/04/2025 23:48

Having now watched a fair amount of msm have changed from being in celebratory mood to being something akin to a raging Medusa seeing the continuing and increasing woman hatred exposed everywhere, this thread has not helped…apart from JKR and Rosy Duffield of course.

Same, I'm utterly furious today.

So many corrupt, lying, cowardly, thick numpties playing their twee establishment games... I haven't ever tweeted as much as I have tonight 🫠

KnottyAuty · 18/04/2025 00:04

In that case can I take the opportunity to blatantly advertise the NHS Policy Audit thread?! A place where you can help shine some sunlight?

Our Scottish audit of single sex spaces made 2 articles in the Telegraph and one in the Scottish Daily Express at the end of March. Our London audit is due to be written up in The Telegraph this weekend.

I’d assumed our survey might stop there but given the disappointing reactions to the judgement, I think we’re going to need to hold feet to the fire for change, while raising awareness to prevent future backsliding…

So the crazy idea is that we now go on (region by region) to prove that there are no single sex spaces left in the whole of the NHS/UK.

It takes 45 mins approx per Trust with some light googling. Full instructions provided and I won’t know who you are.

I’m about to set up the anonymous online survey for The Midlands this weekend and it would be great to have a few more hands on deck.

It would be lovely to see you over on the thread here to help vent your frustrations in support of a good cause: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

thanks!

NHS Policy Audit - working party | Mumsnet

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

GCAcademic · 18/04/2025 00:01

Annascaul · 17/04/2025 23:58

I wonder what part of the law this muppet finds unclear?

I mean, the law is clear enough.

But grifters gonna grift!