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"Punch a TERF" Sarah Jane Baker to speak at #UKWomensMarch London on 18 January 2025

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IwantToRetire · 16/01/2025 18:18

There have been many threads about Sarah Jane Baker, and there is an existing thread about the (nationwide) Women's Marches on Sunday.

East Sussex WRN
What happens when you join #UKWomensMarch because you are worried about #VAWG and then you raise concerns that violent torturer Sarah Jane Baker is a speaker at the London march? One of our members was thrown out of the #UKWomensMarch for doing just that. https://x.com/WRNEastSussex/status/1879634795086672173

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Women's Rights Network - WRN
Following reports from a number of our members, we are very concerned about the real aims of the so called UK Women’s March taking place in cities around the UK on January 18th. A march that purports to be about women, and to be raising concerns regarding violence against women, is welcoming into its midst a convicted violent criminal, whose hostility and threats towards the women who call him out is well known. We are also concerned that any women who raise their concerns are instantly removed and made unwelcome.
https://x.com/WomensRightsNet/status/1879831474616115593

I know not everyone is on twitter, so wont see comments.

But thought this so extraordinary that it was worth at least a thread title in the hope the media will pick up on it. And alert others who haven't seen this.

There is also discussion on the FWR thread mentioned above. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5228413-the-womens-march-thats-all-about-the-men

If anyone wants to let them know your reation to this

Contact email for organising group: [email protected]

UK Women's March

UK Women's March is an intersectional movement for women's rights, founded by a small group of women dedicated to amplifying the voices of women everywhere.

https://ukwomensmarch.co.uk

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ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 14:49

Yep. Although if it's this particular group using the phrase, it is in fact 'anybody at all'.

moto748e · 01/04/2025 14:45

a local group for lesbians and WLW

What's WLW? Women who love women?

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 14:36

These are not serious people, to use a common phrase.

PriOn1 · 01/04/2025 13:02

“This isn’t about silencing anyone’s voices”…

… well only those pesky women anyway, and they don’t really matter…

Odd how they can’t hear themselves.

AnSolas · 01/04/2025 12:34

The language about saferty and hate speech from an organisation which decided to center a male who calls for real actual physical VAWaG🙄

Actions speak louder than any fluffy sounding policy which is aimed to ensure women who dont parrot the agreed creed are not allowed a voice.

Igmum · 01/04/2025 08:48

Not even that. It’s a special menz movement. I don’t think women’s needs will get a look in with these special people around.

BackToLurk · 01/04/2025 07:56

It’s not a women’s movement, it’s a people’s movement.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 06:57

NoBinturongsHereMate · 31/03/2025 22:37

"Gender critical rhetoric will not be tolerated ... the fight for equality cannot be won if anyone is excluded"

OK, then.

They should be a bit careful if they are a group seeking to discriminate against a belief.

As we know, religion/belief is a protected characteristic. It's exactly the same as stating you won't tolerate Jews or Catholics.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 31/03/2025 22:37

"Gender critical rhetoric will not be tolerated ... the fight for equality cannot be won if anyone is excluded"

OK, then.

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IwantToRetire · 31/03/2025 20:44

JanesLittleGirl · 31/03/2025 20:39

Well that is clear and honest. They are free to plough their furrow. I will continue to plough a different one.

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Yes, agreed.

They should have been open from the start.

And obviously anyone who disagrees wont have their opinion published.

But leaves us all with more time to focus on the more important issue of women's sex based rights!

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JanesLittleGirl · 31/03/2025 20:39

IwantToRetire · 31/03/2025 20:00

This is their new position statement (sorry not on their web site, and only the graphic image they have released).

It has been applauded on their facebook page with many TW saying how pleased they are to be welcomed.

Well that is clear and honest. They are free to plough their furrow. I will continue to plough a different one.

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IwantToRetire · 31/03/2025 20:00

This is their new position statement (sorry not on their web site, and only the graphic image they have released).

It has been applauded on their facebook page with many TW saying how pleased they are to be welcomed.

"Punch a TERF" Sarah Jane Baker to speak at #UKWomensMarch London on 18 January 2025
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IwantToRetire · 25/02/2025 17:06

I am now more concerned that this poison towards sex based rights is being spread by those conned into UK Women's March without realising the motives of the originator.

So now in Northampton a group that has called itself a Lesbian group is in fact including men.

Supportive places and groups for lesbians throughout the UK are getting fewer and fewer. Now it seems if there are any new ones they will only be for those who accept men who "identify" as lesbian.

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MrGHardy · 25/02/2025 07:00

Just imagine the outrage if anyone said "punch a transwoman". Never mind that person that being given such a platform. The hypocrisy remains huge in gender ideology.

Ramblingnamechanger · 25/02/2025 06:48

I will not go to events this year where I live due to the continual inclusion of men promoted by the left. although there is always a radical feminist block, we are attacked and threatened by men. Locally the left small party want to organise something for IWD. I have offered to do a talk on why sex specific spaces are important for women, and why men in them present a danger. Pretty sure I won’t be doing it!

Lalgarh · 25/02/2025 01:06

IwantToRetire · 13/02/2025 17:56

I cams across this by chance and am stunned (well not really) by the outright defence of SJB being invited to speak, and it was all the fault of transphobes on mumsnet that it didn't happen!

Transphobes were organizing on forums like Mumsnet, continually infiltrating the chat. Although the organisers removed them from the list, more transphobes kept coming on.
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2025-02-10/transphobia-and-womens-march

If memory serves, the Alliance for Workers Liberty hated the SWP for reasons I can't quite remember, but it seems both are aligned on the Trans thing as them being the Most Oppressed Group Ever and therefore eligible for assorted gestures of solidarity

Meanwhile The Communist Party of Britain got endorsed by (checks) billionaire JK Rowling for their gen critical stance

https://theprint.in/world/jk-rowling-the-biological-definition-of-sex-author-backs-communist-party-over-trans-rights-stance/2144017/

Although they rapidly put out a tweet rebutting her

https://x.com/CPBritain/status/1805010532065226860#m

Quote from TRA sub Reddit: "Protect sex based rights for women is literally in the communist manifesto, they can fuck off" (source
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1dnofsa/unlike_the_transphobic_labour_party_the_communist/?rdt=38962)

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IwantToRetire · 24/02/2025 21:13

Should really stop being surprised but saw the anouncement of a Vigil for IWD in Northhampton organised by Women's Alliance Northampton, which they say is led by Northants Lesbian Society.

So I thought this sounds like local grass roots organising and went to find out more on the Northants Lesbian Society FB page.

There they describe themselves as "a local group for lesbians and WLW in the Northamptonshire area. Trans and nonbinary inclusive!"

Event details https://www.facebook.com/events/657698570110345/

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IwantToRetire · 13/02/2025 17:56

I cams across this by chance and am stunned (well not really) by the outright defence of SJB being invited to speak, and it was all the fault of transphobes on mumsnet that it didn't happen!

Transphobes were organizing on forums like Mumsnet, continually infiltrating the chat. Although the organisers removed them from the list, more transphobes kept coming on.
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2025-02-10/transphobia-and-womens-march

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IwantToRetire · 10/02/2025 19:52

So they are repeating the main problem, ie the inclusion of men who identify as women. New ‘leaders’, same bullshit.

They include any men, irrespective as how they identify.

What is interesting (depressing) is they seem to think they are doing something brand new and positive.

But in fact all they are doing is ignoring exisitng feminist activism, and seem to think that somehow out of banal MSM reporting will organise women to stand up for women. And these women are welcome to bring husbands, brothers, sons, whoever who are supportive.

So it comes back to the fact that the level of knowledge or sharing of information about women's groups / activists that have developed over years, decades are just unknown.

It shows how effectively the patriarchy keeps women divided from each other.

All this group does is show how superficial and unaware many women (well everybody) are that feminist activism and analysis has a history.

And women only is born out of lived experience.

Let them re-invent the wheel.

But in the end it is the old divide and rule.

Rather than worry what they might be up to we need to focus of supporting groups who are being effective, and supporting groups like LWS (even if you dont like all she says) because she is actively giving women a voice, and too often men (and the police) are intimidating them.

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Sparklybutold · 10/02/2025 19:51

The underpinning of all of this is an academic one - that of intersectionality. Transposing this into March makes it difficult for the central message to be heard. Of course trabs people experience violence, I am not refuting this, but it is crucially different deserving its own campaigns and marches. By piggy backing of Womens causes si ply does not work. Just look at whats happening in law in the UK, women are fighting back because of the encroachment and are winning. There is a simple reason for this. Men (including those who identify as women) and women are fundamentally different and experience a very different world because of this.

Sparklybutold · 10/02/2025 19:47

@TooBigForMyBoots the issue for me is by including men who identify as women does not work with the reality that many women and girls face. Trans issues tend to take centre stage with trans flags visible - this was evident in the last March. Men who identify as women want to be heard, its part of their validation. This then overshadows -

The rape and burning of women in the Congo
Stoning beheading of women all over the world simple for being female
Women being eliminated from public life in Afghanistan
Female children being groomed and raped on our on soil
Disabled women experiencing DV not being able to leave because there's no appropriate refuges for them

There's so much more, I'm sure you get my drift. All of this happens because they are women. It is crucially different and without having this at the centre of what the March is about will always dilute the message.

There was also the fact that by adding in the ‘all’ women approach made the message unclear.

The message should be clear.

This is about violence against women and girls - pure and simple.

Sparklybutold · 10/02/2025 19:38

Lalgarh · 10/02/2025 18:03

Oh yeah the SWP seem to have promoted the Sheffield march

https://socialistworker.co.uk/womens-liberation/join-our-womens-marches-on-sat-18-jan-say-organisers/

They of Comrade DELTA fame

So they are repeating the main problem, ie the inclusion of men who identify as women. New ‘leaders’, same bullshit.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 10/02/2025 10:22

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/02/2025 20:15

I don't think that at all. They are not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I've seen the line up and it looks class.😊 I support many of those speaking. Some I'm neutral on. Some I don't know. Some I disagree with.

It would be a shame if women and feminists didn't have this opportunity because it isn't perfect enough.

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I can't see anything in the screenshots about a line up or speaking. What event are you talking about?

The screenshots seem to be a load of (inaccessibly presented) waffle about inclusivity and doing better - with no indication of what they actually mean or intend to do. But I take it inclusive means including men.

Hoardasurass · 09/02/2025 22:36

IwantToRetire · 09/02/2025 22:04

I was even wondering if somehow the SWP or even Sisters Uncut had swooped in and thought we can outsmart these newbies!

Just so strange that all these news groups instantly become a battle ground of control.

With it happening across various parts of the country seems really strange women aren't trusted enough to organise their own march.

Funnily enough, all of these so-called women's groups are inclusive of men and militantly so