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An MSP (Murdo Fraser) threatening legal action against Police Scotland after his twitter/x post was logged as a hate incident

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StealthSpinach · 25/03/2024 07:26

I couldn’t see another thread on this - just wondering if a male complaining about ‘hate incidents’ registered against him will produce a different result compared with all the female complaints that have been dismissed.

An MSP is threatening to take legal action against Police Scotland after a tweet he posted criticising the Scottish Government’s transgender policy was logged as a ‘hate incident’.
Veteran Conservative Murdo Fraser said the force had ‘behaved not just outrageously, but unlawfully’ after learning that his name appears in police files for expressing a political view.
A trans activist reported the post on X, formerly Twitter, to Police Scotland whose officers decided it did not amount to a crime but should be classed as a ‘hate incident’ which will remain on record – even though no law had been broken.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13233691/Scots-Torys-police-row-hate-tweet-claim.html

Scots Tory's police row over 'hate' tweet claim

An MSP is threatening to take legal action against Police Scotland after a tweet he posted criticising the Scottish Government's transgender policy was logged as a 'hate incident'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13233691/Scots-Torys-police-row-hate-tweet-claim.html

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Sunshinesamba21 · 26/03/2024 00:17

senua · 25/03/2024 10:16

You would not know if you'd had a NHCI filed against you
Isn't the solution for every woman in Scotland to ask for a Subject Access Request, on a frequent basis? Play them at their own game.

How do you do this

DrBlackbird · 25/03/2024 23:47

Why was none of this explored in that damn Anti social programme that hosted a load of interviewees saying it’ll all be fiiiine don’t worry your pretty little heads, just bekind and play nice?

agent765 · 25/03/2024 23:02

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2024 22:07

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1772289206322069838

Humza explains the need for non-crime hate incidents.

'It's important that police are able to monitor any patterns of hatred that might emerge'

(Pre-crime.)

Edited

Is calling him a liar a hate crime?

LarkLane · 25/03/2024 22:20

So from that clip. Houmza's not interested in recording any spikes in hate against women.
Only men who claim to be women. And are vile to them. Like Windy.

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2024 22:07

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1772289206322069838

Humza explains the need for non-crime hate incidents.

'It's important that police are able to monitor any patterns of hatred that might emerge'

(Pre-crime.)

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1772289206322069838

WickedSerious · 25/03/2024 21:55

Waitwhat23 · 25/03/2024 21:39

Was going to ask Fudge Kitchen or Fudge House but that is a very Edinburgh question.

Fudge Kitchen,something with cherries in it.

Or Baileys.

Or both.

Waitwhat23 · 25/03/2024 21:39

WickedSerious · 25/03/2024 19:49

If you'll be anywhere near Edinburgh could you grab some fudge?

I'll settle up with you later.

Was going to ask Fudge Kitchen or Fudge House but that is a very Edinburgh question.

TheABC · 25/03/2024 21:36

Maybe that's the SNP's cunning plan? Report the Conservative Party in Westminster as an ongoing hate crime, lock the MPs up and declare independence?

Davidchecksall · 25/03/2024 21:26

Oi @Froodwithatowel please Me Duck, don't bring Weetabix into this. It comes from Northamptonshire which is totally harmless and inoffensive in everything.

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2024 21:17

TWETMIRF · 25/03/2024 21:11

Some tablet for me would be 'ansome, ta very muchly.

The fudge would be lucky to not get eaten on the home journey! The tablet would be eaten before I got on the motorway!

TWETMIRF · 25/03/2024 21:11

WickedSerious · 25/03/2024 19:49

If you'll be anywhere near Edinburgh could you grab some fudge?

I'll settle up with you later.

Some tablet for me would be 'ansome, ta very muchly.

BlackForestCake · 25/03/2024 20:46

do we not think this will collapse overnight as being entirely unworkable? Come April 1 the koolaid nutters will think Christmas has come and will be flooding the Babylon with vexatious complaints by the skipload.

Yes, it will. By June every MSP will have been reported for something or other, every major journalist, every Rangers or Celtic player.

MidsomerMurmurs · 25/03/2024 20:37

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2024 17:18

https://twitter.com/PoliceScotland/status/1772272340295897436

'Meet our new Digital Evidence Detection Dogs. They can find hidden digital devices which can help bring offenders to justice.'

Sniffing oot the hate monsters hidin in yer phone

https://x.com/thatbloodybird/status/1772333045854650658?s=20

“Did you know that, without any specialist training at all, dogs can tell the difference between males and females of other species, like whether a person is a woman or a man pretending to be a woman?

Yes, I’m afraid you’ve got canine terfs on your squad.”

https://x.com/thatbloodybird/status/1772333045854650658?s=20

IdidntseeanythingandIamnotBoiledbeetle · 25/03/2024 20:36

Waitwhat23 · 25/03/2024 20:03

I missed Boiledbeetle on that thread. She was nowhere to be seen!

Edited to add... And I can't believe that thread was three months ago! Where does the time go!

WaterThyme · 25/03/2024 20:21

Here’s a link to Police Scotland’s web page on Subject Access Requests: https://www.scotland.police.uk/access-to-information/data-protection/subject-access-requests

There is no charge for making a SAR. But you do have to supply a fair bit of personal information. Though you have to state your “gender”, sensibly it may only be Male or Female.

Police Scotland warn that “Around half of all subject access requests submitted to Police Scotland are from individuals seeking a copy of their ‘criminal record’.
To request your criminal record (or for confirmation that nothing is held regarding you on these systems) you should tick the Scottish Criminal History System (CHS) and/ or Police National Computer (PNC) check boxes on the application form or state in your email that you would like a CHS/ PNC check.
For all other requests it is essential that you provide as much information as possible to allow us to locate any information held - we are simply unable to research vague requests such as ‘anything Police Scotland holds’.”

Perhaps it will be enough simply to state that you want any records relating to you of a hate crime incident?

Subject Access Requests - Police Scotland

Subject Access Requests

https://www.scotland.police.uk/access-to-information/data-protection/subject-access-requests

Froodwithatowel · 25/03/2024 20:17

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2024 19:43

At this rate we six women on here could keep the Scottish police busy for weeks just on food and drink related hate crimes!

I apologise for traumatic references to the citrus related thing that should Not Be Named, but at least I have not mentioned or produced the Weetabix Horror.

That wouldn't need the Scots Keystone Cops, that's a call out the army job.

Waitwhat23 · 25/03/2024 20:03

Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/03/2024 19:33

Do you remember at Christmas when Dawn butler threatened to report mumsnet to the metropolitan police for being big meanies or something?

maybe we need to resurrect our cunning plans from then!

That was a truly excellent thread -

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4967923-everyone-scarper-the-rozzers-are-coming

WickedSerious · 25/03/2024 19:49

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2024 19:28

I could do with one of them to find my old abandoned in drawers tech. I think I've still got everything since my old Nokia from 1999/2000 ish somewhere! So there is a lot of stuff to sniff out!

Also, I am feeling very triggered by the constant references to lemon drizzle cake!

I've made a list of all offending posts by posters and will be travelling to Scotland on 1st April so that I can read them all again and be sufficiently triggered in my Yorkshire Tea and Biscuits gender.

I will report all of you!

ALL OF YOU!!!!!

If you'll be anywhere near Edinburgh could you grab some fudge?

I'll settle up with you later.

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2024 19:43

At this rate we six women on here could keep the Scottish police busy for weeks just on food and drink related hate crimes!

Crankywiddershins · 25/03/2024 19:39

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2024 19:28

I could do with one of them to find my old abandoned in drawers tech. I think I've still got everything since my old Nokia from 1999/2000 ish somewhere! So there is a lot of stuff to sniff out!

Also, I am feeling very triggered by the constant references to lemon drizzle cake!

I've made a list of all offending posts by posters and will be travelling to Scotland on 1st April so that I can read them all again and be sufficiently triggered in my Yorkshire Tea and Biscuits gender.

I will report all of you!

ALL OF YOU!!!!!

Can you pick me up on the way? Then I can report YOU for your reference to Yorkshire tea which is clearly hateful to us coffee drinkers.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 25/03/2024 19:35

Let's hope you don't find a mushroom farmer or sex shop worker who LOVES LOVES LOVES lemon drizzle cake. They might just do two forms, one for you, one against 😬

Good grief, I was being facetious but there is the possibility it might actually happen 😮

Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/03/2024 19:33

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2024 19:28

I could do with one of them to find my old abandoned in drawers tech. I think I've still got everything since my old Nokia from 1999/2000 ish somewhere! So there is a lot of stuff to sniff out!

Also, I am feeling very triggered by the constant references to lemon drizzle cake!

I've made a list of all offending posts by posters and will be travelling to Scotland on 1st April so that I can read them all again and be sufficiently triggered in my Yorkshire Tea and Biscuits gender.

I will report all of you!

ALL OF YOU!!!!!

Do you remember at Christmas when Dawn butler threatened to report mumsnet to the metropolitan police for being big meanies or something?

maybe we need to resurrect our cunning plans from then!

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2024 19:28

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2024 17:18

https://twitter.com/PoliceScotland/status/1772272340295897436

'Meet our new Digital Evidence Detection Dogs. They can find hidden digital devices which can help bring offenders to justice.'

Sniffing oot the hate monsters hidin in yer phone

I could do with one of them to find my old abandoned in drawers tech. I think I've still got everything since my old Nokia from 1999/2000 ish somewhere! So there is a lot of stuff to sniff out!

Also, I am feeling very triggered by the constant references to lemon drizzle cake!

I've made a list of all offending posts by posters and will be travelling to Scotland on 1st April so that I can read them all again and be sufficiently triggered in my Yorkshire Tea and Biscuits gender.

I will report all of you!

ALL OF YOU!!!!!

agent765 · 25/03/2024 19:02

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2024 13:32

Guess what? People are actually defending the law.

Several are saying he's a Tory, so he deserves it. Some are talking about the EHCR, tangentially. And one is even saying he should have been prosecuted:

'Mr Fraser clearly expressed a desire to see the rights of others infringed, by claiming that the right to define oneself as non-binary is not possible. By such indication he showed that he was opposed to non-binary people being able to define themselves as non binary and as a legislator in a substantive position to do something about it. That he was let off by Police Scotland is a disappointment as he clearly sought to infringe the rights of others using his position. The equivalence he used was nasty and demeaning he made it and his intent to deprive rights to others in a very clear way and this was laden with hate. He wants to claim the human rights he would deny others and that is intolerable. Tories are by definition nasty but Fraser sinks to new depths.'

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24207820.tory-msp-threatens-legal-action-police-log-hate-incident/#comments-anchor

Some people are sheep - alarmingly more of them these days. Especially when it comes to politics.

I have always voted Labour (soon to change!), but hearing some people blaming every dubious thing on one party (almost always the Tories) no matter what is disturbing.

They clearly don't think for themselves. A bit like the JKR haters.

I avoid these types like the plague. Until they can "show me the proof" I don't waste my time on them.

LarkLane · 25/03/2024 18:40

Brefugee · 25/03/2024 18:26

if the reports are filed with the person who made the report, it will be easy to find out who the vexatious litigants are, though, won't it?

The Bobble Files.
The Windy Files, etc.etc.

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