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Go Woke & Go Broke! New list of boycotted brands..

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Moonandstarz · 08/06/2023 07:03

So it's June & so far the big companies that are being heavily boycotted are as follows..

Innocent Drinks & smoothies
Oxfam
Target
Nike
Bud Lite
Lego
NZ products
Starbucks

Who am I missing?

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highame · 03/10/2024 08:02

Nike are struggling. They're now going back to delivering for ordinary people who run. Is it going to be ordinary people who run, or 'extraordinary and brave' people who run

hholiday · 02/10/2024 05:56

I used to work at the Boots head office. Their workforce were something like 70% women (although, naturally their leadership team was predominantly male). And their customer base is overwhelmingly female. To put all of that in jeopardy for a social fashion statement that puts women and children in danger… well, words fail. Plus, they aim to be seen as a trusted healthcare provider. Not any more.

TrainedByCats · 01/10/2024 15:14

Boots featured a male in their list of empowering women back in 2021 they refer to some of the backlash from that here although of course they don’t accept that it was inappropriate and insulting to women https://www.walgreensbootsalliance.com/news-media/our-stories/ally-trans-community

They are nearing the end of their closure of 300 stores over the last year. I believe they still have approx 1000 stores left.

An ally to the trans community

Boots UK stands with Eva Echo, a member of the trans community, to encourage positive conversations on social media.

https://www.walgreensbootsalliance.com/news-media/our-stories/ally-trans-community

TrainedByCats · 29/08/2024 20:24

That’s a good letter, I haven’t shopped in John Lewis in years now despite it previously being my first stop for most things.

I still shop in Waitrose as it’s my closest supermarket, I’ve reduced the amount I buy there by buying pet food and bulky items online and some fruit and veg from Aldi but have continued to buy most fresh food at Waitrose for now. However the male assistant in my local store that wears their thinning hair in little girl bunches is making me increasingly uncomfortable, and the atmosphere in store is very different these days.

NAndJIsLockingDown · 16/08/2024 23:53

Bird and Blend - pronoun badges proudly on display in store.

Needless to say we made a swift exit without buying anything.

Jimblebells · 09/07/2024 14:57

My son went to the states last year and was shocked how the USA folks completely rejected the stuff, they threw it away, wouldn't be seen drinking it, were embarrassed to be seen with it. Bud tried giving it away and people wouldn't take it. Just because a transgender influencer was employed to promote. Do you reckon Americans are unreasonable? Sounds like even the cowboys wouldn't accept anything all inclusive?

WelshWannabe · 09/07/2024 14:39

Actually scrap that question about Asics. I just read the rest of the post.

WelshWannabe · 09/07/2024 14:37

I'm always genuinely thankful for these threads. I learn so much.

As a (dual citizen) kiwi living in New Zealand, I'm afraid that boycott is something that I'm going to lose.

I'm glad Lego is off the list, we love it and it's the only thing that helps my ds1 (ADHD) with his hand eye coordination and helps him learn focus and concentration skills.

But what did Asics do? They're the only shoes my 15yr old (same one as above) has had that have lasted him longer than 6 months. In fact they're nearly 2 years old and still going strong. I will be gutted if I can't buy him a new pair when he needs them.

The rest of the list is easy enough. We don't have some of those brands here and the rest usually have decent alternatives available.

invisibleoldwoman · 09/07/2024 14:05

"Channel 4 study finds ‘noticeable decline’ in brands supporting trans community" Lots of comments on X supporting and confirming this.

https://x.com/Bernard_Lane/status/1810534879073030341

https://www.marketingweek.com/channel-4-transgender-community/

I got a sense of this when I was doing my research. It seemed that a lot of companies were focusing more on BAME, Disability, Women. The whole LGBT+ was being quietly sidelined or not being given the prominence it used to have.

chanpaign · 09/07/2024 12:23

arethereanyleftatall · 09/07/2024 08:23

Are Waterstones off now?

Waterstones off the list!

Adidas
Billingtons
Bodyform
Body Shop
British Library
Burberry
Calvin Klein
Clarks
Dorset Cereal
Etsy
House of Fraser
Lush
Oreo
B&Q
M&S
John Lewis
Primark
Always
Gillette
Estée Lauder inc. Jo Malone, CK, MAC, Clinique
Monsoon
Seafolly
Starbucks
Tate Gallery
Nike
Alpro
Waterstones
The North Face
Finisterre
Mattel
Flora
Innocent
Waitrose
Tampax
Sainsburys
The Cooperative Bank
McCain
Oxfam
Hat Trick Productions
Sonia Friedman Productions
Neil Hannon/The Divine Comedy
Halifax
New Zealand & all products from NZ
Wagamama
Wickes
Bud Light
Costa Coffee
Coutts/Natwest
Vogue
Campbells
Braun
BBC Radio 6 music
Kew Gardens
Virgin Atlantic
Tesco
Superdry
London Bridge station
Ripcurl
Pets At Home
Ann Summers
E45
Boots
Superdrug
Whitbread
Premier Inn

arethereanyleftatall · 09/07/2024 08:23

Are Waterstones off now?

BabyStopCryin · 08/07/2024 22:58

Motnight · 08/07/2024 17:26

They were much better then!

At least their stuff didn’t dye your kids blue and get glitter stuck up your nethers.

invisibleoldwoman · 08/07/2024 21:26

I started a thread the other day about supermarkets and toilets. I'd discovered that Tesco had quietly converted all its staff and customer toilets to mixed sex. And had a draconian compelled speech/belief policy for staff. I was/am very shocked. I knew Tesco did a bit of Pride flag waving but had not seen any changes to the toilets in the shop near me. If you want to see this thread it is here So my thread was about which supermarkets had toilets and policies which are in accordance with the law and the safety, privacy and dignity of women and children. I did a bit of online research and found the following. It may be helpful. We rely so much on these supermarkets and it can be very hard to change shopping habits for all sorts of reasons. So sometimes it is about making the best of a bad job for me. I am sure a lot of them were gungho for Stonewall etc at some point but many seem to have quietly dropped it in the public facing areas of their policies.

Tesco – Was no 15 in the Stonewall top 100 employers in 2023. While they seem to be happy to ignore the legislation protecting the sex-based rights of their female staff and customers they don’t seem too keen on making this clear to their customers. They proudly announce they have improved their Stonewall ranking by nine places. They also announce that the have been listed on the Times Top 50 Employers for Women 2 years running. But clicking on the link describes this this as ‘Gender Equality for Women’. The award was for Gender Equality. It’s all about gender not sex.

I feel very let down by Tesco as I always thought of it as a reasonably trustworthy company. If they have a policy of mixed sex toilets and haven’t made this clear they have been deliberately lying because they know it won’t be popular. If they thought it would get them support they would be advertising it. Duplicitous. I won’t shop there again. No reply to my tweet (or whatever X calls them now) and I shall write soon. I was about to buy a new set of non-stick pans from them but not now. https://www.tesco-careers.com/
Tesco is the only supermarket in the Stonewall top 100 list although I think many more are members.

Sainsbury – Another one keeping it all under the carpet. On the shop website there is a page devoted to all the various good causes/charities they support. But only one reference to gender/trans stuff with a piece about celebrating Pride month in 2022 and a lot about their support for various LGBT+ organisations up till 2022 but no mention of Stonewall and nothing much since 2022. Had to smile as the main outcome for all this LGBT+ activism seems to be an “expansion of our greeting cards range to recognise key dates such as Pride, Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day.” Bless. The detail is on the jobs/careers pages https://about.sainsburys.co.uk/sustainability/better-for-everyone/diversity-and-inclusion. As with Tesco (and this seems to be a common theme with all them) lots of expressions of support for all sorts of social issues, but little or nothing about women and no recognition of the fact that eg trans rights might conflict with women's rights (frequently renamed gender rights!).

Morrisons Nothing on the customer facing site. On the careers page “We're continuing to build confidence about starting up conversations around important subjects like sex, ethnicity, disability, race, religion and more. This is supported by our BAME, Women in Morrisons and LGBT+ internal communities”. And an advert for International Women’s Day. So very current. I think someone on the other thread mentioned they had taken a hammering on women’s rights in the recent past so maybe they have taken this on board. One I will consider as I have one reasonably handy. I got good vibes from it. A lot of support for the Armed Forces. Veterans returning to civilian life, reservists needing to train etc. That explains why my local store had a display with a WW2 Army uniform and it’s history. https://www.morrisons.jobs/life-at-morrisons/everyones-welcome-at-morrisons

Co-op They have a Diversity and Inclusion link on the footer of their main site. “We also educate colleagues in areas of diversity such as gender, LGBTQ+, disability and neuro diversity through events and learning sessions in National Inclusion Week, International Womens’ Day, Pride and International Day of Disability. We empower our Colleague Networks to educate and inspire from store level and beyond.” Somewhat alarming emphasis on 'educate' I think.

Iceland – Nothing about Diversity & Inclusion in its various guises. They have their own charitable foundation and the focus is on Dementia, Environment, Wellbeing, Children. They also support the Emergency Response Services in various ways. They have regularly won awards as a good employer. I was impressed with the shopping. They have an emphasis on online shopping and easy free delivery. They have all the pantry style products and brands I routinely buy and next day delivery is free if you spend more than £40 both online and instore. I think they will feature in my future shopping. Their own brand products have been free from artificial colourings and flavourings, non essential preservatives,and monosodium glutamate since 1986.

Asda – Nothing on the shopping website.* *LGBT+ issues are just one among a number in the careers section. No mention of Stonewall or other LGBT+ organisations. “we’ve created Colleague Resource Groups to help steer our efforts on this journey. They cover Accessibility, Ethnicity, LGBTQ+, Wellbeing, and Women in Leadership” All looked very mainstream and sensible.

Aldi – Nothing on the shopping site. They promote support for the Olympics Team GB and Paralympics Team GB. In the careers section they have an Equality & Diversity statement which correctly lists the protected characteristics in law and also covers harassment, bullying and disability issues. https://www.aldirecruitment.co.uk/about-us#equality-and-diversity.

Lidl – Nothing. No obvious careers/jobs section, but I was getting tired and may have missed it.

So, not every supermarket chain, but the major players and the ones I am likely to shop at. I think Iceland, Morrisons, Aldi and Asda are likely to be my Tesco replacements, more or less in that order.

No mention of toilets. This is not something that is featured as a reason to shop or not in the various outlets. But it is clear from comments on the thread that the removal of facilities exclusively for women has happened, eg Sainsbury’s. I feel like a bit of project coming on. I am going to contact all the main supermarkets and find out what facilities they have in store and how they comply or not with the Equalities Act. How their provision matches up with the expressions of support for various women’s issues on the websites. Given how dependant we all are on these stores the provision they make or don’t make should be an important part of the shopping experience they provide.

The issues for me are: are they complying with current legislation in provision for both staff and customers? If not why not? Do they understand why this is an important issue for women and children?

Does anyone have any more definite information on these?

SwordToFlamethrower · 08/07/2024 19:30

Buy secondhand if we can, and boycott the rest.

invisibleoldwoman · 08/07/2024 18:55

Capitalismwantsyou · 20/09/2023 11:12

god, is Amazon the only place to buy stuff now? noooo

Really sorry to tell you but Amazon in on the Stonewall top 100 list. No 97 but still. I was gutted as I rely on Amazon a lot. Not just shopping but Kindle and Audible. Oh dear. I can't think about it at the moment.

www.stonewall.org.uk/top-100-employers/full-list

Motnight · 08/07/2024 17:26

BabyStopCryin · 20/06/2024 18:28

I remember when they were Cosmetics To Go…

They were much better then!

chanpaign · 08/07/2024 17:13

Adidas
Billingtons
Bodyform
Body Shop
British Library
Burberry
Calvin Klein
Clarks
Dorset Cereal
Etsy
House of Fraser
Lush
Oreo
B&Q
M&S
John Lewis
Primark
Always
Gillette
Estée Lauder inc. Jo Malone, CK, MAC, Clinique
Monsoon
Seafolly
Starbucks
Tate Gallery
Nike
Alpro
Waterstones
The North Face
Finisterre
Mattel
Flora
Innocent
Waitrose
Tampax
Sainsburys
The Cooperative Bank
McCain
Oxfam
Hat Trick Productions
Sonia Friedman Productions
Neil Hannon/The Divine Comedy
Halifax
New Zealand & all products from NZ
Wagamama
Wickes
Bud Light
Costa Coffee
Coutts/Natwest
Vogue
Campbells
Braun
BBC Radio 6 music
Kew Gardens
Virgin Atlantic
Tesco
Superdry
London Bridge station
Ripcurl
Pets At Home
Ann Summers
E45
Boots
Superdrug
Whitbread
Premier Inn

tresleches · 23/06/2024 11:49

Finisterre has sent an email today promoting a post on its website about being an "ally" not a "bystander" and it links to Mermaids and Stonewall.

They've been doing this for a while but I've offset it against environmental pluses (I like their linen t-shirts and swimwear). They're moving into the US market soon, so I expect it to get worse tbh. I may need to switch to only buying their stuff from vinted etc.

The surf scene reminds me of cycling, in terms of historically/currently misogynistic sports with huge commercial clout (but in surfing's case trying to maintain veneer of "soul") being worst for ignoring women in their enthusiasm to be seen as "allies". It looks like some female surfers are pushing back, but they're not being represented in Finisterre's big push for "inclusion".

MistyGreenAndBlue · 21/06/2024 21:52

HoneyButterPopcorn · 20/06/2024 21:31

Dove! Watching telly and an ad for dove moisturiser comes on... all I heard was 'that's a bloke... that's a bloke... hey that's a bloke... oh I think that's a woman... so they have trans skin now?'

I thought that was E45. "Transitioning skin"
Whatever. It's rubbish anyway.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 20/06/2024 21:31

Dove! Watching telly and an ad for dove moisturiser comes on... all I heard was 'that's a bloke... that's a bloke... hey that's a bloke... oh I think that's a woman... so they have trans skin now?'

BabyStopCryin · 20/06/2024 18:28

I remember when they were Cosmetics To Go…

Chersfrozenface · 20/06/2024 14:28

DysonSphere · 20/06/2024 14:13

WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL???!!!

Sorry is Lush not the natural cosmetics and skincare shop? Scented bath bombs and body lotions? Or is there another adult kink store also called Lush?

If it's the same typical Lush of the type you see in the train stations etc, then when the hell did they become a sexual fetish store?! I walk past them all the time!

I'm genuinely confused. Am I getting my wires crossed?

No, you are not, it is indeed the same smelly store.

More about binders on this thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4396710-Lush-Binder-Collection

As to the apron stunt, one story from a local newspaper
https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/1542770.nude-shop-stunt-stopped/

DysonSphere · 20/06/2024 14:13

BabyStopCryin · 20/06/2024 09:06

Ah yes - there was quite a stooshie over that one!

They were - I believe - having orders for breast binders delivered to the store in plain package for girls to collect (Lush store in a mainline London train station - just where teen girls will arrive when coming into town for a day our shopping). They also did a clothes swap didn’t they (so you could swap your ‘gender’ clothes). Lush are pretty well known for this nonsense - getting staff to wear only an apron (and nothing else) or a white t-shirt and encouraging customers to kiss it (did they have lippy on?) but you can imagine where these staff members were getting kissed.

It’s like a couple of 12 year old boys jagged up on sunny delight and skittles are writing their sales and marketing plans.

WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL???!!!

Sorry is Lush not the natural cosmetics and skincare shop? Scented bath bombs and body lotions? Or is there another adult kink store also called Lush?

If it's the same typical Lush of the type you see in the train stations etc, then when the hell did they become a sexual fetish store?! I walk past them all the time!

I'm genuinely confused. Am I getting my wires crossed?