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Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?

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Bosky · 26/05/2023 03:34

Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632616-antipodean-fruit-growers-2-canary-in-the-internet-coal-mine

Front row seat on the seemingly eternal battle between Jersh (aka Suzi Quatro's Fat Nan) and his Merry Band of Farmers against the Transpowered Forces of Internet Censorship.

1st Thread - Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

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Kallikrates · 22/03/2026 15:15

Congratulations to Afroman.

Bosky · 22/03/2026 02:53

VICTORY FOR AFROMAN AND FREE SPEECH IN THE USA 🇺🇸

Afroman Testifies In Defamation Lawsuit Trial From Sheriff's Deputies Who Raided Home

Deputy Nicknamed 'Lemon Pound Cake' By Afroman Testifies In Defamation Trial
Shawn Cooley is a retired deputy with the Adams County Sheriff's Office in Ohio who is suing rapper Afroman for defamation.

Sheriff Deputy's Ex-Wife Testifies In Defense Of Afroman In Defamation Trial
The ex-wife of retired Adams County, Ohio, sheriff's deputy Shawn Grooms testified as a defense witness for rapper Afroman in his defamation trial today (Wednesday, March 18). The recording picks up with Afroman's lawyer David Osborne asking Rhonda Grooms about Megan Thee Stallion's and Cardi B's song "Wet Ass Pussy."

Jury Sides With Afroman In Sheriff Deputies' Defamation Lawsuit — FULL DEFENSE VERDICT
Victory for Afroman over the sheriff's deputies in Adams County, Ohio, who sued him for defamation and invasion of privacy through false light.

Hear from Afroman after the verdict in his civil trial
We spoke to Afroman just minutes after a judge delivered the news that jurors sided with the rapper in his civil trial in Adams County.

Afroman: THIS was my way of walking away from the situation…
Rapper Afroman discusses his court victory after being sued for defamation over songs he wrote following a police raid on his home on ‘Jesse Watters Primetime.

Prosecutor Reacts to Afroman Trial
The Cops raided his home, then sued him for defamation

Jury sides with Afroman in police defamation lawsuit: Inside the trial that gripped America
A flash-in-the-pan trial in a rural Ohio county pitted the "Because I Got High" rapper against seven sheriff's officials who sued him for defamation after they raided his home.
www.legalaffairsandtrials.com/p/jury-sides-with-afroman-in-police

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Kallikrates · 17/03/2026 11:58

Yes. I luckily missed all that (thankfully, I wasn't online when it happened on MN), but it is the same technique to shut down discussion that they don't like. Of course, images now need to be 'approved' before showing to combat these horrific men and their vile posts.

And they want us to believe that they are 'the right side of history'!

BezMills · 17/03/2026 11:13

Kallikrates · 17/03/2026 10:04

He would have been bored with the site (and probably stepped away from it) years ago without all the attacks to shut it down. Thankfully, he's a stubborn bugger. It's interesting what he has developed simply because he won't back down to bullies.

Definite parallels here. All kinds of dirty tricks being played to try and shut down discussion on FWR, up to and including posting CSA images in an attempt to discredit/shut down MN.

Kallikrates · 17/03/2026 10:04

He would have been bored with the site (and probably stepped away from it) years ago without all the attacks to shut it down. Thankfully, he's a stubborn bugger. It's interesting what he has developed simply because he won't back down to bullies.

Fruityful · 17/03/2026 09:14

Kallikrates · 16/03/2026 10:26

They won't tolerate child or animal abuse either.

They have helped to identify some awful animal abusers, including people who have tortured monkeys and dogs. This has led to convictions.

Good point. My mind didn't go to such dark places and I was thinking mostly in terms of political views which is wider than you'll find in most places online these days which are almost always echo chambers of one kind of another. But yes, child abuse, animal abuse, I don't know if you'd actually be banned for talking about them, but you wouldn't have a happy time there.

On that note, one of the most reprehensible tactics some have used to try and shut down the Farms is the posting of child porn some people have tried to do. Null has actually developed his own software to pre-emptively identify this stuff and report it and made that and some of the other software he has developed available to other site owners. He's also come up with a quite innovative way to do site registrations that preserves anonymity whilst preventing mass sign-ups for purposes of abuse. He had a very interesting thread on it a while back.

Bosky · 16/03/2026 16:43

anyolddinosaur · 16/03/2026 10:56

@Fruityful No - when you go to donate it asks for the amount in US dollars. Some people have cards that dont charge a fee for dollar transactions but some do. Also means you need to think about exchange rates when deciding what to give. I've donated to fundraisers in other currencies before and one resulted in questions from the fraud team! It wasnt a massive donation but I guess they suspected that the next such payment would be bigger.

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anyolddinosaur · 16/03/2026 10:56

@Fruityful No - when you go to donate it asks for the amount in US dollars. Some people have cards that dont charge a fee for dollar transactions but some do. Also means you need to think about exchange rates when deciding what to give. I've donated to fundraisers in other currencies before and one resulted in questions from the fraud team! It wasnt a massive donation but I guess they suspected that the next such payment would be bigger.

Kallikrates · 16/03/2026 10:26

They won't tolerate child or animal abuse either.

They have helped to identify some awful animal abusers, including people who have tortured monkeys and dogs. This has led to convictions.

Fruityful · 16/03/2026 08:56

anyolddinosaur · 15/03/2026 15:15

There is a givefundgo site for non users to donate, unfortunately in US dollars.

That's only the denomination used to show the earnings by Give Send Go. You can contribute from anywhere, it just gets converted in their total. If you visit the site, Null has put up a big banner linking to the thread about the lawsuit. I'd drop the link to the fundraiser here for those interested but I understand that's against policy. Still, a simple search for "defendthefarms" and Give Send Go should turn it up.

Note, that's different to the site fund raising. The GSG is specifically ring-faced for legal defence. And yes, it's very similar in principle to the Afroman case. The Kiwi Farms action might have some very interesting positive effect generally in helping shut down spurious misuse of copyright law in the future. Laws designed to prevent people ripping off music and movie pirating, are being used to shut down criticism by people trying to copyright their face! Madness, but it costs money to defend yourself which is what people like Liz Fong-Jones are relying on.

The fundraiser has reached $100,000 in three days. I'm sure more will help but it's an amazing achievement.

@Bosky You're absolutely right that Farms users would align with Afroman on this. Because he's in the right and it's funny. That doesn't mean there aren't actual racists on the Farms, there totally are. But what the Farms is, is a place where you can say what you like and occasionally if the noise gets loud enough, Null will appear and slap a few heads together until he can get back to whatever else he was doing but mostly if you can stand your ground, that's all that matters. Every possible viewpoint can be found on the Farms. Though pro-Trans would probably get you mocked beyond belief.

anyolddinosaur · 15/03/2026 15:15

There is a givefundgo site for non users to donate, unfortunately in US dollars.

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/03/2026 14:11

Kallikrates · 15/03/2026 13:14

So, I just had a look at the Fong-Jones thread, and the farmers are supportive of Afroman, who has an upcoming case that is similar to the one that Fong-Jones has launched against the farms. I know nothing of this, but someone had helpfully explained it and linked the song and a video about the situation. Afroman's case will apparently begin in a few days, the whole mess has been going on for 3 years.

The song in question.

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I am amused and shocked that these sheriffs are actually suing Afroman for making them look stupid when it very much looks like they accomplished that feat all by themselves 🙄

Kallikrates · 15/03/2026 13:54

Plus, his lemon pound cake was stolen! I'm sure that MN can also get behind this case. We love cake here. Cake should not be stolen.

Bosky · 15/03/2026 13:43

Kallikrates so those frightful racists on Kiwi Farms are supporting a black man and his family who have been wronged twice by (allegedly) corrupt and demonstrably clownish and clumsy white cops?

This must be making Chris's numpty noggin spin!

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Kallikrates · 15/03/2026 13:14

So, I just had a look at the Fong-Jones thread, and the farmers are supportive of Afroman, who has an upcoming case that is similar to the one that Fong-Jones has launched against the farms. I know nothing of this, but someone had helpfully explained it and linked the song and a video about the situation. Afroman's case will apparently begin in a few days, the whole mess has been going on for 3 years.

The song in question.

Kallikrates · 15/03/2026 12:56

anyolddinosaur · 15/03/2026 12:49

The only time I hear about the site is on mumsnet. I like the idea of a site that will take the piss out of anybody being an idiot regardless of which special group they belong to but have never made the effort to find it. So is there a way non users of the site can contribute to their fight or would I actually need to go look for it?

Anyone can read the site without signing up to see for themselves if they agree with Chris or not. I don't know if you can donate without signing up, but there will be instructions on how to donate there (if anyone wishes to do so).

The kiwifarms site is simply that name and then .st

Kallikrates · 15/03/2026 12:50

I had always thought that Chris' name was 'Christ in apple', a sort of alternative to 'Christ in toast' (see pic attached). Then I found out that the imagery of Jesus as an apple tree is a real thing (see other pic). I think there is even a hymn with the theme.

I thought that calling the poster 'Christ' was going a bit far, so I used 'Chris'.

Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?
Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?
anyolddinosaur · 15/03/2026 12:49

The only time I hear about the site is on mumsnet. I like the idea of a site that will take the piss out of anybody being an idiot regardless of which special group they belong to but have never made the effort to find it. So is there a way non users of the site can contribute to their fight or would I actually need to go look for it?

Pixiedust1234 · 15/03/2026 11:16

I'm still trying to work how Christina allegedly knows all this stuff considering they've said they've never been on this nasty site. Who's feeding you the information Christina?

nothingcomestonothing · 15/03/2026 10:10

Marg Christinapple seems to have aligned theysself with far right transphobic racist bigots. How embarrassing for theysself. I assume a cancelling comes next?

teawamutu · 15/03/2026 09:31

Christinapple · 15/03/2026 01:19

It's clearly a homophobic and racist hate site with a focus on black people, Indians and Muslims.

Proof please? Because on the occasions I look, those profiled seem overwhelmimgly white, male and straight.

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/03/2026 03:03

It seems Reddit has handed out new attack lines 🙄

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2026 01:21

Why do you hang out so much on it then?

Christinapple · 15/03/2026 01:19

Bosky · 15/03/2026 01:11

"They’re stance seems to be if you are acting like an idiot/your ideology is idiotic, we’ll take the piss."

Or if you're LGBT, Muslim, Indian or black?

They’re stance seems to be if you are acting like an idiot/your ideology is idiotic, we’ll take the piss and it makes no difference if you're LGBT, Muslim, Indian or black.

It's clearly a homophobic and racist hate site with a focus on black people, Indians and Muslims.

Bosky · 15/03/2026 01:11

Christinapple · 15/03/2026 01:02

"They’re stance seems to be if you are acting like an idiot/your ideology is idiotic, we’ll take the piss."

Or if you're LGBT, Muslim, Indian or black?

"They’re stance seems to be if you are acting like an idiot/your ideology is idiotic, we’ll take the piss."

Or if you're LGBT, Muslim, Indian or black?

They’re stance seems to be if you are acting like an idiot/your ideology is idiotic, we’ll take the piss and it makes no difference if you're LGBT, Muslim, Indian or black.

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