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Would you ever consider a transman a man?

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Sidaway · 11/04/2023 14:57

Parallel question to this really:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4782092-would-you-ever-consider-a-transwoman-a-woman

Would the straight women here consider a trans-identified female, who "passed" really well, as a romantic/sexual partner?

And for the lesbian women here, would that "passing" be a turn-off?

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ArabellaScott · 06/04/2026 07:48

Biological sex is absolutely fundamental to sexual attraction. For bi people, too.

We aren't formless miasmas wearing clothing. We aren't Ken or Barbie dolls.

We are mammals; male or female. The species is perpetuated by sexual reproduction, its pretty unsurprising that we learn to classify by sex for that reason alone, before we even get into all the other reasons we learn to differentiate between the sexes.

How is it we've got to 2026 and this most basic of simple fact has become something that people are coy about?

I suppose humans have long been able to confuse themselves with their big overcomplex brains.

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2026 07:38

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 06/04/2026 01:33

I honestly think you're doing yourself a disservice. Straight women are attracted by exactly the attributes I'm describing.

For example, appearance has far less to do with attraction than charisma. There's also trust - women need to feel safe with a bloke, however they present.

As for Jackie - before my time, and I was probably bombing around on a BMX when the late 80s equivalent was out :)

'appearance has far less to do with attraction than charisma.'

Well, thats a strange assertion to make!

'Charisma' always makes me think of hypnotists or salesmen.

Most people are attracted primarily and initially on the basis of sex. Its the most basic criteria, after 'alive'. Which is why people specify it first in relevant situations.

NotBadConsidering · 06/04/2026 07:36

Straight women are attracted by

Define “straight women”.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 06/04/2026 07:22

Wearenotborg · 06/04/2026 06:47

Sorry but your homophobia is disgusting on this thread. It’s absolutely abhorrent that you are trying to deny that homosexuality exists and that gay man should accept females into their dating pool. No gay man is attracted to females. They date men. Smacks very much of the conversion talk of the 80s to me.

Shouting "homophobia!" at me regardless of what I write is a bit odd, man.

I'm mostly chatting about my weakness for coats & eyebrows at this point 😁

Wearenotborg · 06/04/2026 06:47

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 06/04/2026 00:45

Sorry to hear it. You should go easier on yourself, I'm sure you're very much loved.

Lack of confidence can blind someone as to why people love them, which is a bad spiral to start. Maybe accept they love you because of who you are?

Sorry but your homophobia is disgusting on this thread. It’s absolutely abhorrent that you are trying to deny that homosexuality exists and that gay man should accept females into their dating pool. No gay man is attracted to females. They date men. Smacks very much of the conversion talk of the 80s to me.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 06/04/2026 04:23

SmugglersHaunt · 06/04/2026 04:12

You just described Roger Moore

Really certain I didn't get off with Roger Moore, but you never know 🤔

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 06/04/2026 04:22

ScathingAngelAgrona · 06/04/2026 03:07

Very sorry to hear about your partner’s cancer. Best wishes to you both.

Thank you. Very much appreciated.

SmugglersHaunt · 06/04/2026 04:12

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 05/04/2026 17:04

Prostitution isn't sex. It's a transaction, and often an abusive one. It can very frequently be classed as rape.

The thread is about personal preference & attraction, and I answered the question 🤷

I also discussed how people fall for people, not bodies.

If you have a shopping list of male attributes, good for you. For me, a correctly-raised eyebrow, confidence, the right coat or shirt, trust, and how amusing someone is matters more to me.

You just described Roger Moore

ScathingAngelAgrona · 06/04/2026 03:07

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 05/04/2026 16:01

His cancer's very real, dude. So is my kid.

Plus, the thread asked a question, I answered it.

Maybe consider whether you're addicted to being abusive and rude for the sake of it.

Very sorry to hear about your partner’s cancer. Best wishes to you both.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 06/04/2026 01:33

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 06/04/2026 01:13

I'm fine, thank you. Not so much need for confidence at my age. But I wasn't angling for sympathy, I was disagreeing with this: Trans men attract partners by being confident, kind, interesting and sexy, same as everyone else. It sounds like the advice column in Jackie.

Not everyone "attract[s] partners by being confident, kind, interesting and sexy". Thank God, or those of use who are boring and not particularly sexy wouldn't stand a chance!

I honestly think you're doing yourself a disservice. Straight women are attracted by exactly the attributes I'm describing.

For example, appearance has far less to do with attraction than charisma. There's also trust - women need to feel safe with a bloke, however they present.

As for Jackie - before my time, and I was probably bombing around on a BMX when the late 80s equivalent was out :)

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 06/04/2026 01:13

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 06/04/2026 00:45

Sorry to hear it. You should go easier on yourself, I'm sure you're very much loved.

Lack of confidence can blind someone as to why people love them, which is a bad spiral to start. Maybe accept they love you because of who you are?

I'm fine, thank you. Not so much need for confidence at my age. But I wasn't angling for sympathy, I was disagreeing with this: Trans men attract partners by being confident, kind, interesting and sexy, same as everyone else. It sounds like the advice column in Jackie.

Not everyone "attract[s] partners by being confident, kind, interesting and sexy". Thank God, or those of use who are boring and not particularly sexy wouldn't stand a chance!

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 06/04/2026 00:45

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 05/04/2026 22:33

It's amazing I ended up in a (very) long term relationship, considering that (despite being a man) I have had problems with confidence throughout my life and particularly before I married.

Sorry to hear it. You should go easier on yourself, I'm sure you're very much loved.

Lack of confidence can blind someone as to why people love them, which is a bad spiral to start. Maybe accept they love you because of who you are?

Sugarfree23 · 05/04/2026 23:13

ScrollingLeaves · 05/04/2026 19:34

Transwomen are men in skirts!

The OP is about trans men. They are not
men in skirts but the opposite: females with short hair, deeper voices, facial hair and possibly male pattern baldness all from taking testosterone; flat chests from binding or mastectomies; and possibly other surgery.

I can't believe you've dug a post up from 2023
But I'll reply anyway, the post i replied to was talking about butch lesbian and transwomen.

Transwomen are definitely men in skirts or in Islas case pink leggings.

Transmen are not men. They are women on hormones.
I'd say they were women in trousers but really 95% of the female population wear trousers so it needs to be a bit more precise than my men in skirts comment.

thirdfiddle · 05/04/2026 22:53

Saying people are attracted to others on the basis of confidence etc. is missing the point of sexualities existing at all. To be attracted to someone they have to be a sex you are attracted to to engage your physical sexuality at all, and a personality type that you like to engage your liking. For some that might be brash and confident, others may prefer more humour or modesty, whether attracted to men or women.

If your attraction only depends on personality, that is because you are bisexual - your sexuality doesn't mind what sex the person's body is. For most people, straight or gay, it does mind.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 05/04/2026 22:33

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 05/04/2026 16:49

I'm literally just answering the question posed by the thread.

Attraction isn't a choice. When people are consenting adults, the only thing that matters is whether you like them.

I'm attracted to men afaik, but who knows what the future could bring?

Trans men attract partners by being confident, kind, interesting and sexy, same as everyone else.

It's amazing I ended up in a (very) long term relationship, considering that (despite being a man) I have had problems with confidence throughout my life and particularly before I married.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 05/04/2026 22:18

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ScrollingLeaves · 05/04/2026 19:34

Sugarfree23 · 11/04/2023 15:02

This!

Transwomen are men in skirts!

Transwomen are men in skirts!

The OP is about trans men. They are not
men in skirts but the opposite: females with short hair, deeper voices, facial hair and possibly male pattern baldness all from taking testosterone; flat chests from binding or mastectomies; and possibly other surgery.

Helleofabore · 05/04/2026 18:57

Yes, Arabella. No one should have to accept such abuse just to show people how abusive some extremists get. Quite a few posters had direct responses from that poster.

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2026 18:55

Helleofabore · 05/04/2026 18:53

It was literally a repetition of 'die in a ditch' and 'I hope that you are raped'. It was truly vile.

I'm sorry to anyone who got the brunt of it.

Helleofabore · 05/04/2026 18:53

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2026 17:19

Holy fuck. I missed all that. Was it another wave of the 'love is love' crowd?

It was literally a repetition of 'die in a ditch' and 'I hope that you are raped'. It was truly vile.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 05/04/2026 18:22

MarieDeGournay · 05/04/2026 18:03

Oh good! I thought I was losing my 'it's the way I tell' em' touch😃

Maybe I should try my luck on the MN shopping board :
'Help me find a coat that would make me irresistible to women. BTW I am a woman, size 14'😁

I'm sure you'll be fine. Confidence is everything anyway. The coat amplifies what's already there, it doesn't create :)

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2026 18:06

MarieDeGournay · 05/04/2026 18:05

No single-breasted, I got it on Amazon😂

Oh, very good! 😂

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/04/2026 18:06

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 05/04/2026 17:51

I was talking about the sexist medical establishment, and wondered if you'd find it interesting.

I'm just replying, why the aggression?

Anyway, trans men are men, and can do what they want with excess breast tissue. Consent, self-determination and respect - that's what matters.

What aggression? I don't see any at all in the reply you've quoted. Assertive responses are not aggressive.

MarieDeGournay · 05/04/2026 18:05

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2026 18:04

But is it double breasted, Marie?

I'll get my coat ...

No single-breasted, I got it on Amazon😂

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2026 18:04

But is it double breasted, Marie?

I'll get my coat ...