Would you ever consider a transman a man?

Of course it’s pretend. 🙄🙄Transmen are females going to extreme lengths to pretend to be males. They cannot ever be male.

It’s very clear that trans is an extension of previous self harm. Imagine thinking that people that are calling that out are the problem rather than the people facilitating it. THEY put the photos out there, not us.

What care are trans people being denied?

Men do not need female specific care.
Females do not need male specific care.

So specifically, what is being denied?

Are you talking about puberty blockers and hormones for children?

Its not pretend? You think people actually become the opposite sex?

Well first, it's not pretend.

Second, trans people self-harm because

a) the vast majority of them are denied care, which causes intense distress
b) all trans people live with prejudice, harassment and the constant threat of extreme violence (most of it sexual) which results in exhausting hypervigilance and intense misery. (Doesn't stop them being trans though, which tells you how vital it is to their wellbeing)
c) self-harm is sadly very common as there is almost no MH care for abuse- something trans kids suffer just as much as cis

Third...what on earth are you doing examining photos of strangers?! Being thiat obsessed with a tiny minority is deeply unhealthy behaviour.

No. Because they're not.
There's a trans man that pops up on my facebook feed sometimes, they are a bodybuilder of some kind and have had the euphemistic "bottom surgery".
This person is clearly in love with themselves as a "man" and forever posting selfies of themselves broodily looking into the camera.
But what really shows the delusion is that they posted something along the lines of "when you wake up in the morning and you have an erection" type post, looking down at themselves and smirking saucily into the camera etc.

Now, anyone who know anything about FTM "bottom" surgery is that the grafted flesh does not have spontaneous erections like biological males. There is a pump inside the graft, which is inflated via a saline bag in the "testicle" that fills the flesh tube with saline to make it semi-hard. It takes physically pumping the saline reservoir to fill the chamber.
NO trans man is getting spontaneous morning erections, they're not ejaculating, they're not feeling anything at all in that grafted tissue most likely.

To gaslight people into believing their body is just like any other man is ridiculous. They are fooling people, particularly their audience of gender confused youngsters, that there is some kind of surgery that will make you a fully sexually functioning male with full capacity for sexual feeling and normal function. There isn't. They are either knowingly lying and deceptive, or they believe their own delusion so deeply that they are ill.
They are a women with a grafted tube of flesh. It's not a penis.
They're not men.
And before anyone says it, men without penises are still men.

But women are not.

Do I need to add ‘pet’ or ‘hen’ there somewhere? Or ‘cock’ a la Bet Lynch in Corrie?

I saw a sticker once about ‘trans’ being their true selves. OH was with me and just muttered that it was the opposite really.

It cannot be your true self, to deny (or lie about) who you are. Some may bother to cosmetically modify their outward appearance as a nod to a simulacrum or ersatz version of the other sex. The one which you are not, and never will be. Mind you, some dress up might be for reasons of ‘sexual thrills’ like that Noem fellow with grotesque balloon breasts and his tight pink hot pants. His true self was getting all the male thrills from his version of what he his idea of a woman looks like.

Mind you, most men who claim to be women and access women’s and girl’s spaces just say they can because they are women if they say so. And what can women and girls do about it, eh? You think about these men ‘we see your ‘true selves alright’. That is why most women want them to have to stay the eff out.

No. It’s not normal to pretend you’re the opposite sex and undergo extreme body modification. Love 🙄 In all these photos of the poor girls you see the self harm scars from cutting. It’s so clearly an extension of previous self harm.

'Stealthing' 'passing' - all just looks like lying to me.

How come 'living as your true self' requires other.people to pretend to believe you when you say you're the opposite sex?

I'm talking about the sexist medical establishment there, love.

Being trans is normal.

It is normal.

Living as your true self is not self-harm, it is self-care.

No I do not consider them men. I would consider one as a sexual partner but I am bi so that probably doesn't mean much!

No.

No-one can change sex so no.

If I worked with/knew a trans man I would call them by their chosen name etc and try and go along with it at least to their face.

Would I date/have a sexual relationship with a trans man? No of course not because a trans man is female and I'm not gay.

I find men sexually attractive. My attraction is inate.

IMO this area is the one where the whole trans argument really falls down because 99% of straight people would not consider dating a trans person simply because they have an inate attraction to the opposite sex.

The story of transparent's child's life is starting to sound rather sad. Of all the things to go into when you don't enjoy femininity, ballet is quite the pick.

I agree with all this, Ophelia.

I recognise in TPA's post a kind of free love/pansexual/heeeyyyy love is love man✌which is OK for people who feel that way.

The point is, though, we don't. We know ourselves. We know who we are attracted to. It's not difficult - we know that it's a fact that our sexuality is such that it does not involve being attracted to men - there may be men we like, and as I've said before I sometimes admire a man for his looks or his presence or maybe even his eyebrows, or who knows - his coat? 😄

It's OK until people tell us that our lesbian sexuality is just a passing fancy - on Monday we are solely attracted to women, on Tuesday we might meet Mr Right and hey presto! we aren't lesbians any more.
Or until we're told that we are transphobic bigots if we refuse to accept trans-IDing men as women like us, and therefore as potential sex partners.

That's where it stops being heeeyyyy! love is love man✌ and becomes offensive to lesbians.

All these rights us women thought we had won, and were safely ours - all it needed was some very loud men making demands backed up by threats of violence, and those rights start to look very iffy.
Who'd'a thought we'd be defending our right to be lesbian, to define our own sexuality, in 2026??

Are you really trying to excuse self harm by giving another example of self harm?!??! There have been concerns about the extreme lengths ballerinas go to to make their bodies “fit” for decades. How can you not see that trans is just more of the same self harm?!

Its a strange mixture of coy aversion to basic facts (people do care about the bodies of people they are attracted to, very much) and an assumption that women here are too boring and naive to understand sexualities and gender theory.

I reckon the genderists have bought their own bullshit in many cases. They genuinely think they have us pegged (no pun intended) as rightwing Xtian fundamentalists in non ironic twinset and pearls.

Which is fine. 😎

Nah mate. Youre just as bad as those MAGA dudes claiming lesbians “just haven’t met the right men yet”. You’re the one claiming gay men are attracted to women. So denying their homosexuality. If a man is attracted to women…. news flash, he’s not gay.

Absolutely not.
It doesn't matter how much surgery etc a man has, nothing will change the fact that every cell in his body has XY chromosomes.
And who gets to decide what a 'pass' looks like?

No. Because they’re not.

You have a really strange way of describing how your attraction feels to you, very dashing and debonaire I might say. Stuck a bit in Georgette Heyer.

But maybe open your eyes a bit and stop pushing your feelings and opinions on others. You might see charisma as the main reason to be attracted to other people but other people are saying their attraction is based on the sex of others. That type of attraction is protected by law. You stating that that type of attraction shouldn't exist is textbook homophobia. So please learn from this as they say and stop it.

Transmen are women who identify as men. They are not nor ever will be male people. Straight women will not be attracted to them. Gay men will not be attracted to them. Bi people and lesbians might be attracted to them, who knows?