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Calyx72 · 11/02/2022 20:56

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP"

A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights

Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA

Sad
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Calyx72 · 28/06/2022 08:01

twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1541474620712407040

I like the part about free speech.

Especially as the icsp had that thread about Stonewall and peoples concerns that they are a political lobby group, disappeared.

Wonder if I should start a thread there with this?

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Bosky · 24/06/2022 01:18

stealtheatingtunnocks · 23/06/2022 21:46

It’s always sad when someone much loved died and I don’t doubt this couple were devoted to their kids and that gender had a big impact on their family.

but, I’d like to know how much influence Gires has had on the CSP. It predates stonewall on trans stuff by a long time.

maybe back then it was just #bekind. Now it’s complex.

I hope the family are managing their loss.

OMG! I didn't realise Terry Reed was a Physio!

How my wife changed people’s lives
Physiotherapist Terry Reed OBE was a leading transgender activist in the UK, writes husband Bernard Reed OBE
www.csp.org.uk/frontline/article/how-my-wife-changed-peoples-lives

GIRES - Gender Identity Research & Education Society
www.gires.org.uk/

Maybe links between CSP and GIRES will be documented in this new lottery-funded project?

A Legacy of Kindness: Telling the Story of GIRES
Project Lead: Shaan Knan
www.gires.org.uk/gires-projects/a-legacy-of-kindness-telling-the-story-of-gires/

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A bit of an aside but I had the enormous pleasure of observing Shaan Knan's (SK) extraordinary performance as a witness for Stonewall at Allison Bailey's Employment Tribunal. (One of many extraordinary performances by extraordinary witnesses for Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers!)

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden-6f9

(AH) Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for Garden Court Chambers - referred to Knan in his closing statement as "a man of nervous disposition" and "an unreliable witness".

By contrast, AH evidenced that his own witness, Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now a Judge - was "a reliable witness".

The proof of MB's reliability (don't laugh, this is serious!) was that she was better able to remember when Knan had telephoned her because . . .

AH: "MB was contacted by him, a man of nervous disposition, asking what shall I do if others complain about AB?

How come she has such a clear recollection? Do not forget her witness statement. She was driving in the car, with children on hands free and drove into a rubbish bin. That stuck in her mind."

I bet it did! 😂

We never got to know if Ms Brewer, now Judge Brewer, contacted the police to tell them that she had crashed her car into a rubbish bin due to driving without due care and attention. Never mind, at least it was proof that she was a reliable witness!

web.archive.org/web/20220620131535/twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1538872727804776448

Let us hope Shaan Knan is more reliable when "Telling the Story of GIRES".

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 23/06/2022 21:46

It’s always sad when someone much loved died and I don’t doubt this couple were devoted to their kids and that gender had a big impact on their family.

but, I’d like to know how much influence Gires has had on the CSP. It predates stonewall on trans stuff by a long time.

maybe back then it was just #bekind. Now it’s complex.

I hope the family are managing their loss.

Calyx72 · 23/06/2022 19:59

I saw it and Hmm

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/06/2022 18:51

Well, I did not know this.

Wonder who put them forward for theyre matchy-matchy OBEs? CSP?

www.csp.org.uk/frontline/article/how-my-wife-changed-peoples-lives

Calyx72 · 21/06/2022 10:45

No problem from me thanks @vivariumvivariumsvivaria Smile

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/06/2022 00:28

For the record, I've never had much with the CSP. I flick through frontline but I'm not a rep or been to conference or ever bothered to vote before. I use CSP for the insurance. And for fuelling my irritation - why are we not batting the osteopaths into touch? Anyway, that's off topic.

If you would prefer if I didn't message the CSP with a link DM me. Consent is the point.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/06/2022 00:24

Janet said that the physio talk had 50% more engagement than prenvious hustings? Interesting.

Bet that's because JC was there. I haven't watched his many videos yet - but I'm impressed that he made them at all. I also noticed that some candidates either didn't use the chat at all, or didn't say much. Which I'm sympathetic for, I manage MN but only because I've been here since it was all fields. So, managing the fast speed of twitter is hard if you are new to it - which JC is not.

I went through the hashtag and JC seems to have answered everything and he has been challenged hard.

If they think he's a bigot they should complain about him. Wonder if they have. There is a compliant process. They should follow it, bitching on twitter is not putting your money where your mouth is.

I can't vote for a candidate JUST because he knows how to manage social media but then if you are going to be a candidate you have to be able to engage or you won't be any good.

I think I should email all the candidates and ask them if they've seen this thread...would anyone object to that? Are you identifiable from here?

Calyx72 · 20/06/2022 15:53

Thanks @vivariumvivariumsvivaria
I will hop on and see what's doing Smile

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 20/06/2022 14:23

At PhysioTalk is on twitter at 8pm tonight. You can submit questions. DB has made another oblique accusation that physio is inherently bigoted as a question. Why is no body reminding him that we are not to bring our profession into disrepute?

I'll see you on physio talk, I expect. My twitter is not the same name as MN, but I'll wave a MN scarf if I recognise you. Which tells you how long I've been round these parts.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/06/2022 12:30

I'm ashamed to say that I chickened out of reporting Mr Smirk, though I did toy with the idea of setting some vegans on him.

I need my job and I feel like a coward but if we had more numbers I'd do it, as it is I think he is protected and I'd be a bigot and I think the issue is wider than his particular predilection. I see the person in OT who runs Oban Pride also has his fetish in his pronouns. When did that become remotely appropriate?

I see physiotalk have a live chat with the candidates on Monday, so I might ask an innocent question there. Mr WCPT has posted a question about inclusion and is, again, saying there is something rotten in physio - which I really think should be pulled up as bringing the profession into disrepute.

I'm certainly voting for this council - don't think I've ever done that before.

RadFizz · 17/06/2022 07:56

@stealtheatingtunnocks the only candidate who's spoken out has faced a barrage of criticism for it. He's very popular though, so it'll be interesting to see what happens if he's elected.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 17/06/2022 04:52

Interesting, thank you, @Bosky

we have council elections coming up - I guess we need to find out how many
candidates are GC. I’m not aware of any womens group I the CSP. Which might be numbers, it’s not a big union?

your suggestion sounds more effective than the open letter the RCN did. 400 signed it, I think. RCN said “yes, we hear you but will carry on.” And their conference was rainbowed badly.

Bosky · 17/06/2022 00:21

stealtheatingtunnocks · 16/06/2022 00:21

we are linked with the TUC. I don t really understand how the unions work. I think they all fall under the TUC or UNISON umbrella.

I’ve gone off umbrellas

CSP is an independent trade union in its own right, as are Unison, the Society of Radiographers, Unite, GMB, RCN, etc, etc.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/public-list-of-active-trade-unions-official-list-and-schedule/trade-unions-the-current-list-and-schedule

Most unions are affiliated to the TUC:
www.tuc.org.uk/how-tuc-works-unions

Most (all?) UK Trade Unions seem to be captured at policy level and "political activists" within unions virtue-signal like fury, as the Unison vote demonstrates:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4570043-unison-passes-policy-trans-equality-louder-and-prouder

However . . . this does not necessarily play out in the workplace, where Reps/Shop Stewards are not always "political" activists but are more interested in collective bargaining and representation of individual members.

I am in Unite - which appears on the surface to be at least as badly "captured" as any other union.

Despite this, the feedback we are getting in the Unite GC Women's Group (part of the Women's Trade Union Federation) is that women are getting good, effective representation by Unite Shop Stewards when there are issues to do with "women's rights vs trans rights".

(WTUF: twitter.com/WomensTUF)

Similarly, I know of Unison Workplace Reps who are GC women and are challenging employers on anti-women policies and practices.

Unions seem to be doing everything in their power to lose the confidence of women but find out what is happening at local level before you give up hope.

Membership involvement in trade union democracy has been pitiful for decades, which allows take-over by narrow interest groups.

That also means that it is relatively easy to wrest back control if members get organised and vote in the representatives that they want.

That is what we need to do because nobody is going to do it for us.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 16/06/2022 00:21

we are linked with the TUC. I don t really understand how the unions work. I think they all fall under the TUC or UNISON umbrella.

I’ve gone off umbrellas

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RadFizz · 15/06/2022 23:23

No, it is a union in itself as far as I know @stealtheatingtunnocks. I think all the unions are going to capitulate but Unison's statement is still quite something.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria, just curious to know if you got a response when you reported fetish man?

stealtheatingtunnocks · 15/06/2022 22:34

Is the CSP part of unison?

Im in despair about this. Thread in unison TWAW

Calyx72 · 01/06/2022 13:48

Maybe her Twitter @GussieGrips

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/06/2022 13:13

Might send this thread to Elaine. Send it c/o DayTime TV or Women's Hour?

RadFizz · 01/06/2022 12:15

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria Natalie retired last year. You'd need to contact her replacement Ashley James or the CEO herself.

It's appalling that they appear to have cut ties with Elaine but are promoting the likes of this guy.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/06/2022 11:09

I had a look on twitter - is it ok to link your fetish with physio in your bio? I thought we were supposed to be neutral and professional?
Maybe "professionalism" has changed like the word "woman" has.

He used"Jennifer" as a negative term for a woman who disagrees with him instead of "Karen". Didn't want to upset the CEO, eh?

I wish I'd not seen him in a nazi cap because now I have to email Natalie Beswerthick about his twitter photo - our professional obligations mean we have a duty to report. I had a full clinic this morning and instead of being able to concentrate on my lovely patients I've have this idiot's grinning face in an SS uniform on my mind.

Fuck this.

RadFizz · 01/06/2022 07:18

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria Nope not trans, just your average gay man. He talks about abuse on social media and gets support from senior brass at CSP but where is the support for women? Or should I say "menstruating individuals"?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/06/2022 00:56

I thought terf is now hate speak? Was't it established as a pejorative term?

Should that person be talking about women like that in a public forum?

Is they even trans?

RadFizz · 31/05/2022 20:08

Ah it appears there's a diversity committee now. Lots of pronouns and the blue-haired guy ranting on Twitter about TERFs. So I don't hold out much hope about anything being done about racism, sexism or ableism.

How do all diversity initiatives these days get taken over by gender ideology?

RadFizz · 31/05/2022 19:58

It's just a very confused article. If you're going to mention trans and non-binary people then why not say women instead of "individuals"? Because shock horror, they form the bulk of people who go through menopause! I'm guessing the twentysomething in the photo isn't aware of that 🙄

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