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Calyx72 · 11/02/2022 20:56

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP"

A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights

Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 13/10/2023 16:45

comprehensive knowledge of EDI? That's a statement from the CSP. You can have all the policies you like, sex is immutable, the Equality act is real but I'm not so sure about gender.

RadFizz · 13/10/2023 08:47

Ah here we are https://www.csp.org.uk/news/2023-10-12-csp-confirms-appointment-john-cowman-next-chief-executive

Funny how in a profession that's majority female they manage to find a man for the top job.

RadFizz · 08/10/2023 08:51

Have they announced the new CEO yet? I'm not sure if I missed it. If they've got their pronouns in their Twitter bio then it'll be game over
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RethinkingLife · 27/09/2023 13:57

Calyx72 · 27/09/2023 12:23

I looked at that. I don't want to put my email on it if I am speaking up about how daft asking about "identifying as" female or male or non-binary or 'other' but I can't bring myself to fill in the damn thing even without my email. If they aren't even asking sex but are asking what you "identify as" then clearly they know nothing about data or proper research so what's the point Angry

It smacks of the Spartans and the Helots…

"The helots were invited by a proclamation to pick out those of their number who claimed to have most distinguished themselves against the enemy, in order that they might receive their freedom; the object being to test them, as it was thought that the first to claim their freedom would be the most high spirited and the most apt to rebel. As many as two thousand were selected accordingly, who crowned themselves and went round the temples, rejoicing in their new freedom. The Spartans, however, soon afterwards did away with them, and no one ever knew how each of them perished."[33]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helots#

Helots - Wikipedia

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Calyx72 · 27/09/2023 12:23

I looked at that. I don't want to put my email on it if I am speaking up about how daft asking about "identifying as" female or male or non-binary or 'other' but I can't bring myself to fill in the damn thing even without my email. If they aren't even asking sex but are asking what you "identify as" then clearly they know nothing about data or proper research so what's the point Angry

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Calyx72 · 05/09/2023 19:59

I don't know but if I get it, I will write my mind if there are spaces for me to!

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 13/08/2023 09:44

A more political tone” would fit with the transphobia stuff, so at least that’s consistent. How can they develop a position statement on something they can’t define? It’s just embarrassing.

RM hadn’t mentioned applying, I wonder what the selection process is like? There must be council interviews. It’s doomed anyway, everyone is too scared to speak up

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RadFizz · 13/08/2023 08:55

They must be coming close to appointing a new CEO, I wonder who it'll be? I've not heard any rumours. If it's RM then game over for us and we'll all be shipped off to to be re-educated!

northender · 13/08/2023 08:37

Does "further work to support members will be progressed" mean we will be educating members on how to correct their transphobic thoughts?

RadFizz · 13/08/2023 07:31

Anyone seen these notes from the most recent council meeting? Lots of equality issues facing members such as racism or disablism yet a position statement on transphobia is the priority! https://www.csp.org.uk/documents/focus-points-19-july-2023-meeting

RadFizz · 10/08/2023 01:20

I doubt council approve everything that goes on the website. Those guides look to be just guidance rather than policy so I think we should email in our complaints and see what happens.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 10/08/2023 00:38

maybe council haven't seen it? I think quite a lot of the "TWAW" position on the iCSP pages were opinions of individuals who had access to the forums rather than actual policy. The problem is that once things have been printed they are taken as if they are policy. Whoever controls the passwords controls the profession.

Calyx72 · 09/08/2023 10:35

I agree. It's definitely a mess and no good for any physios who aren't entirely Stonewalled.

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 08/08/2023 09:31

He is HCPC registered but not working clinically? I don’t think that is helfpul. If we have a bullying fetishist and someone without much ward experience making ideologist decisions supported by the comms chap whose not a physio then should we be surprised by the nonsense trans guidance?

Why would council vote through something that is not legally accurate? we governed by people who are all either porn addled, scared or stupid.

karen Middleton is running away from a mess she allowed, I think

RadFizz · 08/08/2023 09:22

He used to lead the LGBT diversity network and is now on the EDB committee but not the chair. Is it too much to hope that the members who haven't added their pronouns might be GC?

https://www.csp.org.uk/about-csp/how-we-work/governance/council/council-committees/equity-diversity-belonging-committee

stealtheatingtunnocks · 08/08/2023 08:49

I’m not sure he has every worked as a physio, can’t find him. Why is he the best person to tell me how to be inclusive in my professional role? Sudhir has boundary issues

https://twitter.com/sudhir_daya/status/1688439581924855808?s=46

stealtheatingtunnocks · 08/08/2023 08:47

This person is the chair of the EDB. Is he a physio? Life coach and teaching leadership?

so we know who is in the running for new CEO? Inclusion =whacky glasses

https://twitter.com/nhsleader/status/1675535450641932289?s=46

RadFizz · 06/08/2023 08:39

"In limited circumstances it may be lawful for an employer to discriminate if the action is deemed 'proportionate'. An example might be where the job involves intimate searches.
However, such exceptions do not apply where the person concerned holds a Gender Recognition Certificate."
That doesn't sound right. Nor does the following, as it assumes all those transitioning have surgery.

"At the point when someone transitions they will need time off for treatment."

I think we should email (anonymously if necessary) and tell them how wrong they've got it. And it isn't just CSP either - there's some new TUC guidance that claims gender is a protected characteristic. They really should know better!

OldJeans · 04/08/2023 09:49

https://www.csp.org.uk/workplace/workplace-rights/discrimination-workplace/bite-size-guides-discrimination-equality-work-8

Have you seen this CSP bite sized info document?
CAPTURED is an understatement, with multiple errors in understanding the equality act- eg a GRC does NOT exclude from ‘proportionate’ discrimination yet this document says it does.
the CSP is expanding with the introduction of EDI reps across the country and this is their source material.
Waiting to be referred to ‘ as transphobic’ by CSP reps if sex discussions / situations a arise.
Going to need to take some long deep breaths.

Transgender equality and discrimination

On this page: What does ‘transgender’ mean? Gender reassignment Are trans workers legally protected from discrimination? What counts as gender reassignment? What is a Gender Recognition Certificate? Changing gender and the workplace Checklist for stewa...

https://www.csp.org.uk/workplace/workplace-rights/discrimination-workplace/bite-size-guides-discrimination-equality-work-8

stealtheatingtunnocks · 25/07/2023 15:35

This show counts as pelvic floor CPD at the fringe Gusset grippers

https://twitter.com/gussiegrips/status/1683830719338934280?s=46

Calyx72 · 23/07/2023 23:05

Glad someone is doing some proper research. These poor misguided people.

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RadFizz · 21/07/2023 05:49

CSP don't appear to have Stonewall accreditation yet. They are "affiliated" to them but they're affiliated to a LOT of organisations, like I suspect most trade unions are.