Wood burner ban...

If you think they are hard work, and too much faff then you don't have to have one.

Some people like them, and dont consider it too much work or faff at all. We dont ever find ourselves wasting wood lighting a fire just to keep the chimney clear. It is cold enough often enough in the Winter to light one anyway.

Ban them in urban areas. No excuse. If we’re in a situation where people who have wood burners use the excuse they’re worried about mass power cuts and days without means of heating we’ve got bigger issues as a country (and then are we saying it’s alright for anyone who doesn’t have one to freeze/starve?).

In rural areas I can see more of an argument. I think if you live in a village and have a central gas heating system of some sort it’s really not necessary and think those should be banned still tbh. But if you live in the middle of nowhere and it’s your only/main heating supply I would make an exception for that to any ban.

for those blathering on about how they’re not actually that polluting if you have it installed and maintained and using the correct wood well honestly, I imagine you are in the minority. And even in this example it’s still an unnecessary pollutant. I find it incredibly selfish to use one in urban areas. I can always tell when one house on my jogging route has it on because I can smell the horrible fumes before I see them coming out of their chimney. It’s only one house but it stinks up the entire street. We don’t have smoking indoors anymore but people are allowed to pump out that much toxic air pollution is laughable. Even worse if your neighbour has one as then you can’t even avoid it inside your own home if your windows etc are open or every time you step outside.

people who have woodburners for the aesthetic without caring about the poulltion it’s chucking out to neighbours and their wider community make me despair out of sheer ignorance, selfishness, or both. No one needs a wood burner for heat in urban areas.

christmas tree argument is ridiculous. It’s not impacting people outside of your own house. I don’t have a choice which streets I walk down (or am I meant to walk massively out of my way to avoid it, difficult if there’s multiple streets with woodburners).

would 100% support a full ban on these, with small exemptions given for genuinely rural houses “off grid” without other heating options/means.

Ban them in urban areas. No excuse. If we’re in a situation where people who have wood burners use the excuse they’re worried about mass power cuts and days without means of heating we’ve got bigger issues as a country (and then are we saying it’s alright for anyone who doesn’t have one to freeze/starve?).

In rural areas I can see more of an argument. I think if you live in a village and have a central gas heating system of some sort it’s really not necessary and think those should be banned still tbh. But if you live in the middle of nowhere and it’s your only/main heating supply I would make an exception for that to any ban.

for those blathering on about how they’re not actually that polluting if you have it installed and maintained and using the correct wood well honestly, I imagine you are in the minority. And even in this example it’s still an unnecessary pollutant. I find it incredibly selfish to use one in urban areas. I can always tell when one house on my jogging route has it on because I can smell the horrible fumes before I see them coming out of their chimney. It’s only one house but it stinks up the entire street. We don’t have smoking indoors anymore but people are allowed to pump out that much toxic air pollution is laughable. Even worse if your neighbour has one as then you can’t even avoid it inside your own home if your windows etc are open or every time you step outside.

people who have woodburners for the aesthetic without caring about the poulltion it’s chucking out to neighbours and their wider community make me despair out of sheer ignorance, selfishness, or both. No one needs a wood burner for heat in urban areas.

christmas tree argument is ridiculous. It’s not impacting people outside of your own house. I don’t have a choice which streets I walk down (or am I meant to walk massively out of my way to avoid it, difficult if there’s multiple streets with woodburners).

would 100% support a full ban on these, with small exemptions given for genuinely rural houses “off grid” without other heating options/means.

Ban them in urban areas. No excuse. If we’re in a situation where people who have wood burners use the excuse they’re worried about mass power cuts and days without means of heating we’ve got bigger issues as a country (and then are we saying it’s alright for anyone who doesn’t have one to freeze/starve?).

In rural areas I can see more of an argument. I think if you live in a village and have a central gas heating system of some sort it’s really not necessary and think those should be banned still tbh. But if you live in the middle of nowhere and it’s your only/main heating supply I would make an exception for that to any ban.

for those blathering on about how they’re not actually that polluting if you have it installed and maintained and using the correct wood well honestly, I imagine you are in the minority. And even in this example it’s still an unnecessary pollutant. I find it incredibly selfish to use one in urban areas. I can always tell when one house on my jogging route has it on because I can smell the horrible fumes before I see them coming out of their chimney. It’s only one house but it stinks up the entire street. We don’t have smoking indoors anymore but people are allowed to pump out that much toxic air pollution is laughable. Even worse if your neighbour has one as then you can’t even avoid it inside your own home if your windows etc are open or every time you step outside.

people who have woodburners for the aesthetic without caring about the poulltion it’s chucking out to neighbours and their wider community make me despair out of sheer ignorance, selfishness, or both. No one needs a wood burner for heat in urban areas.

christmas tree argument is ridiculous. It’s not impacting people outside of your own house. I don’t have a choice which streets I walk down (or am I meant to walk massively out of my way to avoid it, difficult if there’s multiple streets with woodburners).

would 100% support a full ban on these, with small exemptions given for genuinely rural houses “off grid” without other heating options/means.

Don't be ridiculous. I am nothing like those companies!

I am saying (and I note that no one has linked to the research that says children living with a wood burner are exposed to the same risks as those living with smokers) that there is a clear difference between attributing the death of someone hit and killed by a car to the car that hit them, and attributing the death of a 90 something who had dementia and copd to their exposure to a wood burner. It is tenuous, hypothetical, extrapolated and does not detail the weighting given to potential other causes.

That does not make me like a multi national company peddling carcinogens to the most vulnerable.

Or alternatively we could just insist that everyone who has one has to have a cat installed/particulate filter.

Pretty much in the same way we did with cars to stop them wrecking the environment.

My neighbours have theirs lit and spewing smoke for 18 hours a day. So we can't open any windows except by getting up at 4 in the morning to air the house. The conservatory and the garden are both unusable for 7 months of the year. No doubt we're breathing in lots of smoke even with the windows shut, and certainly lots gets in if we open the front door.
Most people don't give a toss about the climate or other people's health, once it comes down to anything they actually like - in particular wood burners and holidays.

Apparently one wood burner is the same, in terms of pollution, as 60 lorries. More air pollution is caused by wood burners than by all the UK's road transport.

But people would still rather see their children die of lung disease or cancer than get rid of them.

We live in London and in our last house we installed one maybe 8-10 years ago. I did love it but tbh it wasn’t often cold enough to need it and I was increasingly bothered by the environment and health concerns. We moved house last year and I wouldn’t put one in now. But I do think if you live in the countryside they are definitely worth having

There is the same issue with some new houses built near us. The cost of the power needed to run a heat pump is so high, they've had log burners installed.

I'm not sure what the developers are doing wrong.

Road transport is still the leading cause of PM 2.5 particle pollution. Mainly from brakes, tyres and road wear, not things a particulate filter can deal with. I doubt the people so concerned about wood burners would be as eager to give up their cars to reduce air pollution. They'd all have jolly good reasons why a car was essential but refuse to accept that wood burners are an essential source of reliable heat for many people.

I find it fascinating that people can convince themselves their way of life is the default "normal" and completely blameless and anyone who doesn't live like them is wrong and just not trying hard enough to be more like them as if it's something to aspire to.

I am amazed at the amount of parents wanting to argue to keep harming their childrens health

I am amazed at the amount of parents wanting to argue to keep harming their childrens health

I am amazed at the amount of parents wanting to argue to keep harming their childrens health

If it's any consolation our 3 children all grew up with open fires and a woodburner. They're all adults now and none of them have respiratory issues.

I cannot wait for the ban. I think they can ban them except for during blackouts.
So many people have them due to the skyrocketing energy prices that I cannot burp the house without it filling with the smell of woodsmoke. It also makes it near impossible for me to walk with my friend when she walks her dog as it triggers my asthma.