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Sis said no to plus one at Xmas?

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Menopausalinsommniac · Yesterday 07:33

This Xmas we having lunch at a family members house then they will come to my house for the evening. Food etc at both events and workload are shared between us. They are a family of five (mum, dad & kids). My side there’s me & my kids (I’m single). I had mentioned to a friend who is on alone that they may be able to join us for the day but my family members have said that they can’t come to their house for lunch but it’s ok if I want them at mine in the evening. I feel that I should be able to bring a plus one, even if it’s not a partner? I know I should have asked first but isn’t that a bit unreasonable of them?

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Cornucopia55 · Today 17:12

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · Yesterday 18:46

I think it’s really mean. I’m a single parent with no family close by and have been invited to Christmas dinner with friends over the years. It’s all been good fun. I make a dessert and bring plenty of booze, plus throw money into the pot for the dinner itself. It’s really sad that so many on this thread wouldn’t welcome someone with nowhere else to go at Christmas.

And suggesting that some goes and ‘volunteers’ on Christmas Day is the height of meanness.

Edited

It absolutely is not "the height of meanness" to suggest OP's friend volunteers if she's alone for Christmas lunch. Many volunteers love the experience of doing this.

We don't know that OP's friend would otherwise have to be alone, as we don't know her circumstances or if she's explored other options.

OP has written a cheque to be cashed on her sister's account here. By inviting someone else without checking, OP wanted to be generous, but she was not the person who would in fact be accommodating the extra guest, so that "gift" wasn't hers to give.

People value different things about Christmas day, and for some it's a precious day with just their closest people. If you're hosting yourself, great, invite whoever you want - but don't make that call for other people.

Anarchy99 · Today 17:09

Newname26 · Today 17:05

Supermarket isn't always the answer.

I'm trying to keep this light hearted but sometimes serious shit happens & sometimes serious blessings.

Life just isn't always predictable.

It’s all fun and games until the supply chain goes tits up and people can’t get enough ‘picky bits’ 🤣

Newname26 · Today 17:05

Aluna · Today 16:52

I’m in walking distance of 3 supermarkets so I’m fine, but you might use you ball to figure events between now and Christmas.😬

Supermarket isn't always the answer.

I'm trying to keep this light hearted but sometimes serious shit happens & sometimes serious blessings.

Life just isn't always predictable.

Aluna · Today 16:52

Newname26 · Today 11:35

How nice of you, that your crystal ball works well and you know whats going to happen on Christmas Eve.

I’m in walking distance of 3 supermarkets so I’m fine, but you might use you ball to figure events between now and Christmas.😬

AnotherAnnie · Today 16:20

Newname26 · Today 12:48

Just think how this thread would have gone if the sister had posted.

I host Christmas every year, mainly because Sis is widowed, and it gives the kids time with their cousins.
DH is moaning we never see his family on Christmas Day, we do see them on Boxing Day, and take food with us. Boxing Day is chilled at the ILs.
We don't really have space for them and sis, I feel for sis on her own with 2 young adult kids.
Now Sis has asked to bring a friend, not even a partner, just a friend.
AIBU to say no?

That is true, it would have been different, but that scenario does not reflect the situation here at all. From the information we have, your new scenario is not what we might expect from the sister's side.

Sorry I am so long-winded, I find it difficult to write. This is spellchecked so much.

The assumptions here seem to leave out that the work and Christmas food and space provision is joint between the sisters: lunch at sister one's house, and tea (evening) at sister two's house. The sister's huge house suddenly has a space issue in this new scenario.

The 'not even a partner' line and the DH's family being left out does not reflect the OP's community 'everyone is welcome' vibe. The sister finds being asked a burden in this scenario, but our information is: 'My sis wasn’t bothered about that'.

This scenario has someone condescendingly putting up with their sister as a transactional matter for the kids. The polar opposite of the OP's relaxed, warm, social family.
The reality is both lovely sisters seem to assume the lunch sister had a say in the evening event guest list because it is a shared Christmas.

Feeling for a single parent of grown children is an odd word choice, implying pity of all things? The OP is not on her own at all. For a start, she has a lovely social family and an actual sister.
Mentioning the OP is single in this way provides the co-Christmas host with a credible invitation reason, risking the lunch host looking pretty shabby for not inviting the friend. Yet the sisters both seem lovely from what we know.

There are many different ways to approach Christmas, but I feel what op describes is not this.

quotes from op for context
"Food etc at both events and workload are shared between us."
"I don’t think the issue is that I didn’t ask first. My sis wasn’t bothered about that."
"Perhaps it’s a cultural thing but it’s certainly not unusual in the community I was brought up in. Never seen as 'entitled' but more an open, everyone’s welcome, social and kind thing to do. I think that’s why I’m surprised."

I personally feel we can trust the lovely real sister has reasons op would agree with. I can think of dozens of possibilities.

Foodwench66 · Today 15:06

I'd just stay home and not go to the lunch portion of the day. Tell everyone they are welcome at your place for the dinner portion.

Pherian · Today 13:50

Menopausalinsommniac · Yesterday 07:33

This Xmas we having lunch at a family members house then they will come to my house for the evening. Food etc at both events and workload are shared between us. They are a family of five (mum, dad & kids). My side there’s me & my kids (I’m single). I had mentioned to a friend who is on alone that they may be able to join us for the day but my family members have said that they can’t come to their house for lunch but it’s ok if I want them at mine in the evening. I feel that I should be able to bring a plus one, even if it’s not a partner? I know I should have asked first but isn’t that a bit unreasonable of them?

No, you aren’t entitled to invite plus ones to other peoples homes or events without permission. Irrespective if it’s Christmas or not.

Newname26 · Today 12:48

Just think how this thread would have gone if the sister had posted.

I host Christmas every year, mainly because Sis is widowed, and it gives the kids time with their cousins.
DH is moaning we never see his family on Christmas Day, we do see them on Boxing Day, and take food with us. Boxing Day is chilled at the ILs.
We don't really have space for them and sis, I feel for sis on her own with 2 young adult kids.
Now Sis has asked to bring a friend, not even a partner, just a friend.
AIBU to say no?

Harry12345 · Today 12:15

Aluna · Today 00:05

Many on MN seem to have something - whether social anxiety or autism or ADHD or introversion or can’t open their front doors or let people poo in their toilets…

Yeah well I do, I don’t feel comfortable with strangers having dinner in my home and I’m not putting myself out on Xmas day, I do that all year

Newname26 · Today 11:35

Aluna · Today 11:06

Well that’s a you problem. My Waitrose, Ocado & Cook orders are editable until a couple of days before.

How nice of you, that your crystal ball works well and you know whats going to happen on Christmas Eve.

Anarchy99 · Today 11:25

Bookworm16 · Today 09:47

I wouldn't do it to look like I was a good person and I find that a bit of a strange thing to say. I would do it because I wouldn't want someone sat at home feeling like nobody in the world was bothered about them on that particular day when all the emphasis is on enjoying yourself and being with others. It might work out it might not but it would be an experience for all concerned - including the guest.There is one Christmas Day every year you know so there are plenty more if it doesn't work out particularly well.

So you would invite someone because you feel sorry for them? Or because you want to spend time with them?

It matters. Or maybe other people don’t feel patronised by an invitation which is made because the host pities them.

Aluna · Today 11:06

Newname26 · Today 09:49

Bung it in the freezer to deal with too much food than not enough.

Never had enough warning to do anything about my Christmas order.

Well that’s a you problem. My Waitrose, Ocado & Cook orders are editable until a couple of days before.

OrangeBlouse · Today 11:05

TheAbsentRoyalUmberella · Today 10:12

No maybe she's lonely because her children are adults
.maybe she isn't who are we to say.

People get very set in their ways and rigid
.

Who are we to say? Well I don’t know about you, but I’m saying it on the basis of the OP’s own posts, where she says her adult children are sociable people who are happy to have her friend over for Christmas Day. No evidence there that she’s sitting there lonely and crying.

That’s who I am to say.

OffTheMap · Today 10:56

Menopausalinsommniac · Yesterday 18:26

Perhaps it’s a cultural thing but it’s certainly not unusual in the community I was brought up in. Never seen as “entitled” but more an open, everyone’s welcome, social and kind thing to do. I think that’s why I’m suprised.

Maybe amongst all this open socialising your DSis values quality family time between siblings, kids and cousins

Yes. 'everyone welcome' would be sociable, kind and inclusive but you can't deny it changes the dynamic.

Invite your friend for the evening and have a lovely time.

Newname26 · Today 10:24

TheAbsentRoyalUmberella · Today 10:12

No maybe she's lonely because her children are adults
.maybe she isn't who are we to say.

People get very set in their ways and rigid
.

We don't know.

Equally that might well be why the Sister prioritises Op and her young adult family at Christmas, rather than alternating with her husbands family.

There are so many dimensions,
their own kids might want to bring friends, foods not free,
space, we'd have struggled to get 8 into our last house, without doing it picnic style on the floor.
maybe they only have one loo

Not everyone has a John Lewis house with tons of space

OrangeBlouse · Today 10:22

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · Yesterday 18:46

I think it’s really mean. I’m a single parent with no family close by and have been invited to Christmas dinner with friends over the years. It’s all been good fun. I make a dessert and bring plenty of booze, plus throw money into the pot for the dinner itself. It’s really sad that so many on this thread wouldn’t welcome someone with nowhere else to go at Christmas.

And suggesting that some goes and ‘volunteers’ on Christmas Day is the height of meanness.

Edited

So you think it’s terribly mean to leave anyone alone at Christmas, but it’s also “the height of meanness” to suggest someone could volunteer somewhere on Christmas Day? What about all the people who would be alone, or even out in the cold, without charities offering Christmas dinner options? Someone needs to manage all that. Isn’t it a bit selfish to get terribly mawkish over the idea of anyone being alone, but to call the suggestion that anyone facilitate an alternative as “mean”?

You also don’t have to rely on others to “save” you from being alone at Christmas. What’s to stop you hosting a lovely big lunch for all the single people you know? If being alone is so awful, take the initiative!

Anarchy99 · Today 10:19

AnotherAnnie · Today 10:13

I agree, me also. I feel hopeful it's from people from the US with a different cultural expression of hospitality. While hosting may be a burden, in cultures like ours it often ends up a net gain that increases happiness, improves reputations, and strengthens community bonds rather than weakens them. And hosting someone a loved one trusts is lower risk.

Not sure what ‘cultures like ours’ refers to.

I’m English and whereas I might invite someone out of duty, it would feel odd to do so; and it would feel odd to be invited by someone because they feel sorry for me.

housethatbuiltme · Today 10:13

SexyFrenchDepression · Yesterday 10:41

Yeah on MN you're lucky if your welcome if your immediate family, and definitely extremely lucky to be invited if you're a step child, and if you are then expect to be treated very differently to all the other DC 🙄

We have often had last minute guests too, my next door neighbour went overdue with her baby so couldnt host or travel to family so they came over to join us. We have often had SILs or BILs family come also (as in our siblings partners families)

Anyone is welcome!

Mind blowing I know but its almost like not everyone does things exactly the same as you, even more mind blowing to know thats allowed and perfectly ok.

I see people on mumsnet often say 'Christmas is about getting everyone together' but for many of us its NOT.

For us its about quiet time alone, I can and do go visit and see people any and everyday of the year. Christmas isn't some magic gathering day, its the opposite for us its a day for private time. A day when we don't have to put on a mask and pretend to blend despite how uncomfortable and overstimulating it is. This is pretty common for millions of people with neurodiversities who just want to relax.

AnotherAnnie · Today 10:13

Bookworm16 · Today 09:29

I have only read a few comments but I have to say it has made me rather sad. Being on your own on Christmas Day must be very lonely unless it is a positive choice that you have made. Lots of people will be having more guests than usual is it really so hard to invite someone who is known to one of the guests and who otherwise would be on their own? When did everyone get so selfish and uncaring? One day it might be you!

I agree, me also. I feel hopeful it's from people from the US with a different cultural expression of hospitality. While hosting may be a burden, in cultures like ours it often ends up a net gain that increases happiness, improves reputations, and strengthens community bonds rather than weakens them. And hosting someone a loved one trusts is lower risk.

TheAbsentRoyalUmberella · Today 10:12

OrangeBlouse · Today 10:08

I don’t have a partner either. I don’t invite strangers without asking.

Also, OP has said her children are adults now. She’s not some poor woman trying to juggle work and childcare who needs a break.

No maybe she's lonely because her children are adults
.maybe she isn't who are we to say.

People get very set in their ways and rigid
.

Newname26 · Today 10:11

Bookworm16 · Today 09:47

I wouldn't do it to look like I was a good person and I find that a bit of a strange thing to say. I would do it because I wouldn't want someone sat at home feeling like nobody in the world was bothered about them on that particular day when all the emphasis is on enjoying yourself and being with others. It might work out it might not but it would be an experience for all concerned - including the guest.There is one Christmas Day every year you know so there are plenty more if it doesn't work out particularly well.

Op could just as easily have said 'Sis I'll host Christmas and I'm going to invite my lonely pal'

We have no idea what other constraints the Sister is under, maybe her husband is fed up of his wife always having her sister at Christmas.
But the Sister feels for Op since she's widowed with 2 kids, I don't think that hole in a family ever really goes away.

OrangeBlouse · Today 10:08

TheAbsentRoyalUmberella · Yesterday 18:35

It's perhaps not about ops "entitlement " but about being compassionate to op who is a single mum ? Who doesn't have a partner and plus one !

I don’t have a partner either. I don’t invite strangers without asking.

Also, OP has said her children are adults now. She’s not some poor woman trying to juggle work and childcare who needs a break.

Newname26 · Today 09:49

Aluna · Today 09:40

So are mine but all orders are updatable, some until a couple of days before.

If yours is not that’s on you. What happens if part of the family go down with chickenpox?

Bung it in the freezer to deal with too much food than not enough.

Never had enough warning to do anything about my Christmas order.

Bookworm16 · Today 09:47

Anarchy99 · Today 09:32

So is it better to be invited by someone who feels sorry for you so they can show they are a good person? Wouldn’t you feel awkward?

Nobody seems to be able to answer that.

I wouldn't do it to look like I was a good person and I find that a bit of a strange thing to say. I would do it because I wouldn't want someone sat at home feeling like nobody in the world was bothered about them on that particular day when all the emphasis is on enjoying yourself and being with others. It might work out it might not but it would be an experience for all concerned - including the guest.There is one Christmas Day every year you know so there are plenty more if it doesn't work out particularly well.

Aluna · Today 09:40

Newname26 · Today 00:08

My order is in.

The sister might well have plans for her leftover food, bung in freezer for later.
Take to her in-laws for Boxing Day (I know a family who do that, effectively have a second Christmas on Boxing Day)

When did Op last host the sister?
That's another important question

So are mine but all orders are updatable, some until a couple of days before.

If yours is not that’s on you. What happens if part of the family go down with chickenpox?

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