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Given friend a strong warning regarding a new bf & CSA accusation....

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BlessedKali · 31/03/2024 21:17

Hi all,

A very good friend of mine is a single mum to a two year old girl. She met a man two months ago who she thinks is absolutely amazing, and has been really 'healing' since the very toxic father of her baby.

I went to see her recently and asked her about her new man. As we're good friends, we got straight into it, and she told me about this rather, in my eyes, RED FLAG.

So she tells me that he was accused by his brother and brother's wife of sexual assault of their daughter (his neice). There was a case, but he was never found guilty. Case was dropped, etc.

When my friend told me that I clapped my hand to my mouth and couldn't really hold back on a rather strong reaction. Think along of the lines of:

''oooohhh no!!! what a red flag!!! how could you ever trust him with your daughter... etc etc''

I didn't tell her what to do, or shame her in any way, but I did very strongly explain that this is a red flag and I wouldn't tak the risk with my child.

Now, she believes his story, for various reasons - like, they found no evidence on any of his tech devices, and the whole family is on his side (although she can only know this from his own word. Also the fact her told her almost straight away made her feel he was honest.

Claire's law can't be used, as he is from a euro country.

I think I've scared my friend and now she is very upset coming to terms with having to end what she thought was going to be a lovely relationship.

Was I wrong to have warned her so strongly? I'm kinda feeling bad to see her so upset.

I can't really discuss this with actual friends as it is confidential to her, so I'm asking mumsnet what they think.

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Parrilalilalila · 07/04/2024 07:54

BlessedKali · 06/04/2024 22:11

I feel aware to not just use this as a space to 'tell a story' - as it is very possible that my friend might read these comments one day (I so hope she does).

I am conscious of what I am saying and the reason for me saying it, it feels a good space to discuss my thoughts, but unfair to just share her story unecessarily.

Currently the situation is not resolved. I hold the safeguarding of the little girl of the utmost importance and will do my best. xx

Thanks all for your advice and input. <3

You are absolutely right.
Good luck. 💕

BlessedKali · 06/04/2024 22:11

Parrilalilalila · 06/04/2024 19:33

Any news op? Did he (please say yes) leave to stay somewhere else?

I feel aware to not just use this as a space to 'tell a story' - as it is very possible that my friend might read these comments one day (I so hope she does).

I am conscious of what I am saying and the reason for me saying it, it feels a good space to discuss my thoughts, but unfair to just share her story unecessarily.

Currently the situation is not resolved. I hold the safeguarding of the little girl of the utmost importance and will do my best. xx

Thanks all for your advice and input. <3

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Mintchocco · 06/04/2024 20:52

There isn't really an alternative view point on this surely? Some fella who you don't really know tells you they have been accused of sexually assaulting a young child, you also have a young child - who would ever risk that?

I wouldn't care if it was David beckham offering me the world I wouldn't put my child even potentially at risk.

SantasRubiksCube · 06/04/2024 20:21

I know you say you can't/won't make any reports about your friend but honestly, sje isn't putting the child first at all. I can only echo what others have said as I have a horribly close experience slightly similar to this. He MAY be innocent. Or he MAY have got in there first telling her about the accusations before she saw it somewhere else and used her reaction to tell if she would (sensibly) tell him to leave her alone or if he could continually get closer to the child. Child predators do find vulnerable single mothers to groom and they do worm their way in, if he was such a decent man why would he not accept her first refusal of him staying in her house with her and her young child? It sickens me as a mother myself that anyone would put anyone else before their own children or risk putting their children in harms way. I really hope that poor little girl is ok and doesn't end up another abuse victim.

KreedKafer · 06/04/2024 19:46

BlessedKali · 03/04/2024 15:45

Hi all, just posting as feeling very burdened.

I think the forcefulness of some of the comments that occured when my friend in question made a thread on mumsnt has scared her off. She has specifically said that she will not return. If you are wondering why I might still be posting this and will she see (altouh if she did, there is nothing here I am ashamed of)

So basically, my friend lives in Uk and had met this man in another european country (not his own country).

They had had an intense fling for 2 months.

She has returned home and he was supposed to be coming today, to visit her for 2-3 weeks. To live in her house.

She had received quite alot of information and advice from me, and then received all matching advice from mumsnet. She initally told this man not to come, and then she was going to seek therapy instead, as she was very confused.

Today she has contacted me to say that she rang him to tell him not to come, felt awful about the decision, so rang him and reversed it.

So, he is coming today, to live in her house with her and her baby, for two weeks.

I have some red flags around his response to her, I have alot of red flags around her decision making process and choices she is making. Also what she considers boundaries ''don't worry, he will sleep on the sofa initially'.

I'm feeling very burdened by all this - it feels like she is not making appropriate boundaries, and sort of I'm just left with holding this baton of knowlege and responsiblity.

I cannot and will not make a safeguarding/social report - due to the fact she is about to enter into a custody battle with her abusive ex, and so I don't want to affect that in any way.

She says 'she 100% trusts him and totally believes him'

I'm feeling incredibly concerned and also competely and utterly exhausted.

There’s nothing you can do about this, clearly. But your friend seems like an extremely naive, chaotic and inadvertently self-destructive person with no concept of normal boundaries. I’m not surprised she has previously been the victim of an abusive partner, because I can well imagine how she missed a million red flags.

Having a very new boyfriend come to stay for two or three weeks in her home with her toddler would be a terrible decision even if he HADN’T been accused of anything. People really shouldn’t be bringing partners to stay over for weeks at a time with a small child ffs! She barely knows this man and even if he’s the nicest man in the world it would insanely early to have him spend three weeks with her child.

Parrilalilalila · 06/04/2024 19:33

Any news op? Did he (please say yes) leave to stay somewhere else?

CommentNow · 03/04/2024 19:54

BlessedKali · 03/04/2024 15:45

Hi all, just posting as feeling very burdened.

I think the forcefulness of some of the comments that occured when my friend in question made a thread on mumsnt has scared her off. She has specifically said that she will not return. If you are wondering why I might still be posting this and will she see (altouh if she did, there is nothing here I am ashamed of)

So basically, my friend lives in Uk and had met this man in another european country (not his own country).

They had had an intense fling for 2 months.

She has returned home and he was supposed to be coming today, to visit her for 2-3 weeks. To live in her house.

She had received quite alot of information and advice from me, and then received all matching advice from mumsnet. She initally told this man not to come, and then she was going to seek therapy instead, as she was very confused.

Today she has contacted me to say that she rang him to tell him not to come, felt awful about the decision, so rang him and reversed it.

So, he is coming today, to live in her house with her and her baby, for two weeks.

I have some red flags around his response to her, I have alot of red flags around her decision making process and choices she is making. Also what she considers boundaries ''don't worry, he will sleep on the sofa initially'.

I'm feeling very burdened by all this - it feels like she is not making appropriate boundaries, and sort of I'm just left with holding this baton of knowlege and responsiblity.

I cannot and will not make a safeguarding/social report - due to the fact she is about to enter into a custody battle with her abusive ex, and so I don't want to affect that in any way.

She says 'she 100% trusts him and totally believes him'

I'm feeling incredibly concerned and also competely and utterly exhausted.

You aremt responsible for her actively concerning poor parenting decision.

She is thinking of herself over her child. It's not ok and you need to report it.

So much child abuse could be prevented if people spoke out.

Even if he isnt a danger, what about the next bloke? The next ba decision putting her child at risk?

Left · 03/04/2024 19:53

Oh my days. Has she tried googling him at least, if he is downplaying a conviction then he might appear in a local news source?

Obvs it won’t mean he’s innocent if she doesn’t find anything but it would be a very basic bit of due diligence.

CommentNow · 03/04/2024 19:52

Given your update, I think you need to be upfront that you will report if she let's him in. Imagine if he hirts her child and you didnt refer? You arent switching, this is a serious concern and we arent at school.

You are simply making relevant information available to relevant people.

If anything happens, you cannot hold her hand and offer sympathy, can you?

She is making a dangerous choice that affects others. Imagine how you would feel if you were in the dads shoes.

CommentNow · 03/04/2024 19:48

She shouldn't even need warning.

Rumour or not I'd dump a new boyfriend with allegations like that. Even if its false, i wouldnt need the drama.

Parrilalilalila · 03/04/2024 19:45

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 03/04/2024 18:51

Even without the accusation, what the hell is she thinking moving a man she barely knows into her home with her child?! Especially when she's got to fight for custody, she needs to be putting her child first.

Yes I agree, and this could be a great starting point for your friend maybe op?
As she does sound a little worried deep down.
Why not agree on him staying at an airbnb?
Even without kids it is killing for romance, having some man you barely know sleep in your house, in all ways.
Might she decide to have him court her these coming two weeks?
Then decide what to do next time he comes over.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 03/04/2024 18:51

Even without the accusation, what the hell is she thinking moving a man she barely knows into her home with her child?! Especially when she's got to fight for custody, she needs to be putting her child first.

Parrilalilalila · 03/04/2024 18:19

I get that. And I think you are a very good friend. She is still very honest with you, that is a big plus. It Sounds like she was almost there, but then lost her grip again.
And him letting her cancel and then calling him back to reset the plan, that he accepts this, to me is also a red flag. I see what you mean. It is like he feels happy he has his ticket inside her house back. Nothing else matters.
If he was truly innocent, I would expect him to be insulted and tell her to stuff it if she thinks that way about him.
Is there possibly something you can agree on with her? Something like 'if he does or says so and so, you know beforehand it is a definite red flag' And that at that point a report must be made if she doesn't send him packing?
If you agreed on it beforehand, it will be easier for her to recognize and more difficult to deny.
Though I wouldnt know what this might be.
Perhaps someone else knows more about the usual path of the scenario.
I don't think your friends dc will be in immediate danger though. He will be taking his time, if at all ofcourse he still might not be a predator, to get closer to everyone.

BlessedKali · 03/04/2024 15:45

Hi all, just posting as feeling very burdened.

I think the forcefulness of some of the comments that occured when my friend in question made a thread on mumsnt has scared her off. She has specifically said that she will not return. If you are wondering why I might still be posting this and will she see (altouh if she did, there is nothing here I am ashamed of)

So basically, my friend lives in Uk and had met this man in another european country (not his own country).

They had had an intense fling for 2 months.

She has returned home and he was supposed to be coming today, to visit her for 2-3 weeks. To live in her house.

She had received quite alot of information and advice from me, and then received all matching advice from mumsnet. She initally told this man not to come, and then she was going to seek therapy instead, as she was very confused.

Today she has contacted me to say that she rang him to tell him not to come, felt awful about the decision, so rang him and reversed it.

So, he is coming today, to live in her house with her and her baby, for two weeks.

I have some red flags around his response to her, I have alot of red flags around her decision making process and choices she is making. Also what she considers boundaries ''don't worry, he will sleep on the sofa initially'.

I'm feeling very burdened by all this - it feels like she is not making appropriate boundaries, and sort of I'm just left with holding this baton of knowlege and responsiblity.

I cannot and will not make a safeguarding/social report - due to the fact she is about to enter into a custody battle with her abusive ex, and so I don't want to affect that in any way.

She says 'she 100% trusts him and totally believes him'

I'm feeling incredibly concerned and also competely and utterly exhausted.

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ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 02/04/2024 15:15

BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 13:04

Thanks for another viewpoint. Still, if I met the dad in this story, and he told me what you have just said, I still wouldn't be able to 100% trust him. There is always the possibility that the situation involves a completely nuts woman AND an abusive man. Just because a woman is nuts doesn't mean that there can't also have been abuse. Again, I think it's about honouring red flags when you have a small child.

I wasn't saying he's innocent and you're wrong to be wary. Just a lot of people were saying that people don't make these things up, and that's definitely nonsense, people really do make these things up. I'd be advising her to keep her distance too.

aLFIESMA · 02/04/2024 14:33

OP, you are being a good friend not a 'fair weather friend', and when this mum hears/reads about the next case of child abuse she will thank god she listened to youFlowers

BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 13:17

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I think this is an interesting thing to balance in it all. I think that sadly, it is just an inevitable consequence of false accusations, that the person accused will have negative repercussions. It's an unavoidable consequence of other people safeguarding. False accusations are a terrible thing, for the accused and also for women involved that have to make difficult choices.

But, whilst I think it is a shame that accusations stick, I can tell you that who I truly, truly feel sorry for are children who have to endure some of the most horric abuse that can be imagined. Sadly it is too common place to ignore. I feel sorry for them far more than I feel sorry for a falsely accused man.

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Zanatdy · 02/04/2024 13:16

Hell would freeze over before I trusted this man, and if he’s innocent so be it, I wouldn’t be sticking around to find out. Any decent friend would warn their friend

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BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 13:04

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 02/04/2024 13:01

So I'm coming at this from a slightly different angle because I do know someone who has been falsely accused of SA their child. There's been several years of the mother causing trouble one way or another. The child has previously been removed from the mother due to her moving her drug addict partner in with them, at which point the dad had his kid full time for a while but once the addict moved out it was decided the mum could have her back. There's been lots of her refusing contact and she has moved address and not told him. She not bothered taking the child to school for extended periods. Claimed the child isn't his. And now her latest trick is to claim he's sexually abused his daughter which has resulted in him not being able to see her for months now while the police investigate. She has also been in the papers a few times making over the top claims about discrimination and mistreatment from shops and restaurants. The woman is totally toxic, and toxic people do make stuff like this up. It's just a weapon to them.

If she's not going to dump him immediately, I'd try finding out more about the sister. My friend's ex was widely known to be an awful human being and a compulsive lier before she made the accusation.

Thanks for another viewpoint. Still, if I met the dad in this story, and he told me what you have just said, I still wouldn't be able to 100% trust him. There is always the possibility that the situation involves a completely nuts woman AND an abusive man. Just because a woman is nuts doesn't mean that there can't also have been abuse. Again, I think it's about honouring red flags when you have a small child.

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ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 02/04/2024 13:01

So I'm coming at this from a slightly different angle because I do know someone who has been falsely accused of SA their child. There's been several years of the mother causing trouble one way or another. The child has previously been removed from the mother due to her moving her drug addict partner in with them, at which point the dad had his kid full time for a while but once the addict moved out it was decided the mum could have her back. There's been lots of her refusing contact and she has moved address and not told him. She not bothered taking the child to school for extended periods. Claimed the child isn't his. And now her latest trick is to claim he's sexually abused his daughter which has resulted in him not being able to see her for months now while the police investigate. She has also been in the papers a few times making over the top claims about discrimination and mistreatment from shops and restaurants. The woman is totally toxic, and toxic people do make stuff like this up. It's just a weapon to them.

If she's not going to dump him immediately, I'd try finding out more about the sister. My friend's ex was widely known to be an awful human being and a compulsive lier before she made the accusation.

Lastarse · 02/04/2024 13:01

@Italianita point is, as a mother of a young girl she has a responsibility & a priority to look after her kid. Forget if he was innocent/guilty - she can’t take the risk, as a mum she has to prioritise her child.
i also find the fact he told her more worrying - testing her boundaries immediately.

BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 13:00

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Well yes, that's what I think too, and there are other things that make him seem believable. I think though, if I had to put a £1000 bet on the sitatuion with regards to what I know, i might bet that he is innocent. Worst cae scenario is i lose the money.

But when it comes to children, I just wouldn't place the bet. Not worth being wrong.

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