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To refuse to pay for this commission?

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MikStone · 19/01/2024 08:28

My Sister is an artist and I asked her to paint a portrait of my dog.

Background - she started putting huge signatures across her work in red paint - So many people have told her that the signatures are OTT and distracting and actually ruin the painting - people on Facebook, people in her art group, family members … past customers have asked her not to do it on their portraits but she always does. One person argued with her that the portrait was amazing but was ruined by the signature, they wanted some money knocked off because of it. I asked her “why do you keep doing that when so many people have told you it ruins the pictures??” And she says “it doesn’t ruin them, that’s my style and most people like it” no they don’t!!

anyway when I asked her to do mine I was actually looking around for someone else to do it and when she asked why I hadn’t asked her I told her I don’t like the huge signatures she does. She laughed and said “I don’t have to do the signature!”

So I agreed for her to do it as long as she doesn’t put a massive signature on it.

Weeks later, I’m getting a bit impatient as I really wanted it weeks ago and had I gone to someone else it would have been done by now. She sent me an update on it last week and it was looking amazing, I was so excited about it.

Last night she sent me the finished work - massive red signature across it. I replied saying “why have you ruined it with that stupid signature?! I can’t accept it like that”. She replied saying the signature was a lot smaller than she normally does them and she’s spent weeks on it and needs paying. I don’t want it :-( The agreement was so daft signature, she went against that. WIBU to not accept it?

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cremebrulait · 21/01/2024 09:20

Business is business. Find somewhere to leave her a bad review.

Gettingbysomehow · 21/01/2024 09:22

My son is a professional artist and he says she is ridiculous and unprofessional. He wouldn't sell a single painting if he did that.

ilovesushi · 21/01/2024 09:25

Op, please set up a rival pet portrait business. I would pay (not much admittedly!) for a terrible/ genius rendering of my dog with a big scrawl over it by you.

Fuhjutvb · 21/01/2024 09:28

I love your art. Can I have a cat portrait please?

wellhello24 · 21/01/2024 09:28

How bizarre! It’s like something off little Britain or some weird comedy sketch!!

Definitely don’t pay unless she can paint over it or something- you clearly said not to do big signature. Shame you didn’t do written agreement.

She sounds like a right egotist- doesn’t realise people are buying the art for the art & not the artist! What poor self awareness!

QueenOfMOHO · 21/01/2024 09:32

FrJackHackett! I'm getting adverts for underpants now! This thread just keeps on giving.

MotherOfGodWeeFella · 21/01/2024 09:33

It's very simple: I commissioned you to paint a picture of Fido without your usual signature across the painting. That was the contract. You have put your usual signature across the painting of Fido. You have not kept to the terms of the contract therefore I will not accept the painting and will not pay for it.

wronginalltherightways · 21/01/2024 09:34

Your sister is ignoring legitimate feedback and losing business as a result.

She clearly thinks she's famous and her signature is worth more to people than the actual subjects she's been asked to paint.. It's not.

I wouldn't pay her. You said she wouldn't do it, she did it anyway, I would 100% not pay or accept the painting with a signature across it.

Your pictures, otoh, OP, are hilarious. Maybe you should mock up a few more and whack them on your social media pages. That should piss off your sister and get her to rethink.

MotherOfGodWeeFella · 21/01/2024 09:44

She's got an interesting take on the copyright watermark on photos hasn't she? Does she realise that when you buy a print of a photo from the photographer they don't reproduce the watermark on the face of it?

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/01/2024 09:49

No no way would I pay. She hasn’t fulfilled the brief.

Andthereyougo · 21/01/2024 09:51

Until customers stand up to her and refuse to pay she won’t stop this stupid practice.

ILookLikeAPinkBlancmange · 21/01/2024 09:51

Pay the £200, don't display it, arrange someone else to paint your dog and put that painting in pride of place. When she notices, say, "I would much rather have had yours, but you spoiled it with the signature even though you agreed not to, so I couldn't use it."

wronginalltherightways · 21/01/2024 09:57

Not everyone has £200 to waste.

I wouldn't pay her for something she specifically agreed not to do.

TraceyHyde · 21/01/2024 10:04

don’t pay. Don’t accept the painting and if she threatens legal and there’s nothing in writing then just deny ever asking. It’ll be up to her to prove a contract existed 🤷🏼‍♀️

Citygirlypop · 21/01/2024 10:05

I’m dying to see her picture!
and I LOVE yours op!
my dad sold paintings and he would say that the more rubbish the artist the bigger the signature. Don’t know if you should mention that though!
and imho. The agreement was no signature, so that’s what you should get.

Fullofxmascbeer · 21/01/2024 10:07

No payment as she didn’t produce what was agreed.

I really hope you don’t pay unless she paints over it. You’d be a mug else.

Theunamedcat · 21/01/2024 10:10

Look around for another artist she isnt going to give you what you want

Sparkymouse · 21/01/2024 10:18

How very bizarre doing that 😶

MzHz · 21/01/2024 10:23

… and like fuck would I charge my sister for a painting of her dog, especially if I’d offered and pushed for her to accept it.

@MikStone your sister has a staggering ego, tell her to paint over the signature or paint over the entire canvas, you’re not going to waste £200 on her ego.

WhatTheHeckyPeck · 21/01/2024 10:24

"well sister I agreed to pay £200 for a picture of my dog. As I can't see a 3rd of it due to your crappy signature I'll only be paying £133. You want full price, give me a whole dog".

SweetBirdsong · 21/01/2024 10:36

This thread! 😆 Your pictures are so funny @MikStone The dachshund! And the pic with the green dog (paint my dog?) 😆

Yeah, as has been said, you shouldn't pay if a third of the painting is her chuffing signature!

TinderTime · 21/01/2024 10:47

To be honest I'm a bit disappointed in the mumnset posse!

They have more investigation skills than GCHQ and MI5/6 combined and stilll no one has found a link to OP's sister's Facebook page!!

NorthCliffs · 21/01/2024 10:49

Is her name Joan Hancock?

Mezzaninemel · 21/01/2024 10:56

If you’re taking orders please could I have a poodle?

EarthSight · 21/01/2024 10:59

I sell art.

Your sister has the right to run her business how she wants to, but she is taking the piss. It sounds like she knew very well what the conditions of the commission were, know it was a risky one to take on, and should have turned it down. However, she wanted the money, and rather than deliver work to the agreed terms, she only made a part concession to you wishes. She should have told you her intention in advance.....but she knew if she did......you wouldn't give her the commission.

It's sly and if she carries on like that with other buyers, she will seriously piss them off and start getting bad reviews on her social media. It's really not a good sign of character.

Also - the size of her signature indicates a sizeable ego. Some artists do slap on a digital watermark on their work to try and prevent people from stealing it. Sadly this does happen, and even a local post office to me had stolen a well known local artists' work and started to print and sell it on cheap canvases. Otherwise, she seems more concerned about establishing a brand identity (and cannot reply on the uniqueness of the work to do that for her), than she is about how this affects the work itself.