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To refuse to pay for this commission?

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MikStone · 19/01/2024 08:28

My Sister is an artist and I asked her to paint a portrait of my dog.

Background - she started putting huge signatures across her work in red paint - So many people have told her that the signatures are OTT and distracting and actually ruin the painting - people on Facebook, people in her art group, family members … past customers have asked her not to do it on their portraits but she always does. One person argued with her that the portrait was amazing but was ruined by the signature, they wanted some money knocked off because of it. I asked her “why do you keep doing that when so many people have told you it ruins the pictures??” And she says “it doesn’t ruin them, that’s my style and most people like it” no they don’t!!

anyway when I asked her to do mine I was actually looking around for someone else to do it and when she asked why I hadn’t asked her I told her I don’t like the huge signatures she does. She laughed and said “I don’t have to do the signature!”

So I agreed for her to do it as long as she doesn’t put a massive signature on it.

Weeks later, I’m getting a bit impatient as I really wanted it weeks ago and had I gone to someone else it would have been done by now. She sent me an update on it last week and it was looking amazing, I was so excited about it.

Last night she sent me the finished work - massive red signature across it. I replied saying “why have you ruined it with that stupid signature?! I can’t accept it like that”. She replied saying the signature was a lot smaller than she normally does them and she’s spent weeks on it and needs paying. I don’t want it :-( The agreement was so daft signature, she went against that. WIBU to not accept it?

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EvilElsa · 19/01/2024 09:28

She sounds like an arrogant idiot frankly. I wouldn't accept the painting with the signature. You asked her not to do it. She did it knowing you didn't want it. Why would you pay for something you didn't like?! She takes it out or keeps it.

HollyBollyBooBoo · 19/01/2024 09:30

You have her a scope with a specific jn it, she chose to ignore it so she doesn't get paid. Maybe it'll teach her a lesson.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 09:31

Pay her with 'banknotes' that you've printed off and scrawled your own massive signature all over.

Tell her "It's my individual payment style, and I know that people love it, in spite of what they all tell me to the contrary."

DRS1970 · 19/01/2024 09:32

If you have the agreement in writing you could just refuse the piece, or ask for it to be completed as agreed. If it was just verbally agreed, you may be stuck. Either way it causes a rift unfortunately. Her signature sounds like a distraction from her fabulous work, what a shame.

determinedtomakethiswork · 19/01/2024 09:35

A verbal agreement is still an agreement. She sounds like a complete idiot and worse than that, a narcissist.

LittleMG · 19/01/2024 09:35

Hi Op I think she’s out of order for 2 reasons 1 the signature it’s making a point, and 2 that she’s making u pay £200! My sister is a relatively well know artist and people pay thousands for her picture but when she paints my kids she doesn’t charge me, she’s my sister!

ClemmyTine · 19/01/2024 09:41

@Advent0range

Yes, the big red signature.

Tontostitis · 19/01/2024 09:45

I really want to see it....

pelargoniums · 19/01/2024 09:49

I didn’t know I needed to see a terrible dog painting with a massive red signature on it, but now I know one exists I simply cannot rest until I do.

HollyKnight · 19/01/2024 09:51

Ugh she's autographing them rather than signing them. What an ego!

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 09:52

I want to see it too!

I just cannot imagine a talented artist spending a lot of time and effort on a brilliant painting and then just scribbling all over it like a toddler. Wouldn't everything inside you tell you that was a truly bad idea?

ManateeFair · 19/01/2024 09:57

I absolutely will not rest until I have seen one of your sister's paintings with her giant blood red signature on it

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 09:58

pelargoniums · 19/01/2024 09:49

I didn’t know I needed to see a terrible dog painting with a massive red signature on it, but now I know one exists I simply cannot rest until I do.

That's the problem, though: it sounds like the painting itself is great, not terrible at all. It's just difficult to see it behind the massive tag.

It must look like the poor dog is in prison behind some huge red art nouveau railings!

ManateeFair · 19/01/2024 09:59

She needs to accept that even though you are family, she is also a business owner and needs to treat any work from family the same as any other random from the public.

Although she also does this to her other clients, from the sound of it

Baldieheid · 19/01/2024 09:59

I'd not pay her or accept the painting. She had done what you asked, as you saw it in a photo, but then added what you had specifically asked her NOT TO DO.

Why on earth is she expecting you to pay for what you don't want?

I make clothes on commission and yes, sometimes I'm not sure the client has chosen the most flattering style or colour, but you know what I do? I shut my mouth and make sure THEY are happy and comfortable.

Your sister needs to park her ego somewhere else unless she's painting just for herself, or for a speculative sale. Commissions are not about her.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 10:01

ManateeFair · 19/01/2024 09:57

I absolutely will not rest until I have seen one of your sister's paintings with her giant blood red signature on it

I hadn't thought of it quite that way.

Is it like a great valuable work that has previously been used by the Mafia for money laundering purposes, but the godfather has now scrawled a gigantic warning about 'swimming with the fishes' across it in the blood of his last victim?!

ManateeFair · 19/01/2024 10:02

@FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper That's pretty much the image in my head, yes.

Universalsnail · 19/01/2024 10:02

I wouldn't pay for it. She agreed no rediculous signature. She hasn't done what she agreed.

trollopolis · 19/01/2024 10:03

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 09:20

Did you read the OP?

She chose somebody else for this very reason, but her sister cajoled her into going with her instead - securing the commission based on a false promise.

I don't think it would be fair to insist to any artist that they shouldn't add any signature; but most artists realise that it should be discreet and in the corner, so that you can see it if you look for it, but it doesn't distract from the actual painting.

It's quite standard that you put your name to your work but the work itself is the main thing - whatever kind of work it is.

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Yes of course I did.

She was "looking around for" another artist, but does not say she had chosen one.

She chose her DSis, on the basis of no "massive" signature.

Their respective (and subjective) views of what is fairly described as "massive" aren't going to get resolved.

As this is also a family matter, then perhaps the wider relationship needs to be taken in to account when pondering what could or should be done next

SkulkHollow · 19/01/2024 10:03

No-one cares about the artist's name unless they are someone well-known. A small signature is fine, what sounds like a huge watermark across the piece is absolutely not, especially if it's a commission.

Refuse to pay her. She needs to learn somehow.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 10:05

Honestly, I would treat it that these pieces aren't actually commissions for paying customers, but rather free-issue showpieces for her own PR purposes.

Also, I'm thinking of the likes of Alamy and Getty Images, who deliberately personalise (and thus 'spoil') their work (although you can clearly see the quality behind the watermarks) until people pay them for it.

GimmeSleep · 19/01/2024 10:09

I've seen people "stamping" photos of their work when they post online so others can't pass off work as their own, but have known them to do it to the actual paintings 🙃

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 10:11

She was "looking around for" another artist, but does notsay she had chosen one.

But surely the fact that her sister is a talented artist and she hadn't gone straight to her (unless it was a present for the sister, say) makes her feelings quite clear?

If your brother was an electrician and you started looking around for quotes from strangers to re-wire your house instead of even approaching him initially, you'd think that something wasn't quite right somewhere, wouldn't you?

exttf · 19/01/2024 10:24

I wouldn't pay her. You were very clear about it.
She needs to learn that if she is commissioned to produce a painting for someone, she needs to follow the client's wishes and if that means no red signature over the painting that is what she should do.
If she's painting pictures which will later be sold at an exhibition or a gallery then she has complete free reign to do whatever she likes. The pictures will either sell or not. Some people might like the red signature-

trollopolis · 19/01/2024 10:26

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 10:11

She was "looking around for" another artist, but does notsay she had chosen one.

But surely the fact that her sister is a talented artist and she hadn't gone straight to her (unless it was a present for the sister, say) makes her feelings quite clear?

If your brother was an electrician and you started looking around for quotes from strangers to re-wire your house instead of even approaching him initially, you'd think that something wasn't quite right somewhere, wouldn't you?

Indeed, and if someone had chosen to go elsewhere it says it even more strongly.

But OP didn't go elsewhere, she didn't choose another artist; and now has to deal with the consequences of her choice.

Which is that there is no meeting of minds about what "massive" means, and seemingly no prospect of reaching one.

Whatever happens next would, I think, benefit from consideration of the wider family relationship.