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To refuse to pay for this commission?

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MikStone · 19/01/2024 08:28

My Sister is an artist and I asked her to paint a portrait of my dog.

Background - she started putting huge signatures across her work in red paint - So many people have told her that the signatures are OTT and distracting and actually ruin the painting - people on Facebook, people in her art group, family members … past customers have asked her not to do it on their portraits but she always does. One person argued with her that the portrait was amazing but was ruined by the signature, they wanted some money knocked off because of it. I asked her “why do you keep doing that when so many people have told you it ruins the pictures??” And she says “it doesn’t ruin them, that’s my style and most people like it” no they don’t!!

anyway when I asked her to do mine I was actually looking around for someone else to do it and when she asked why I hadn’t asked her I told her I don’t like the huge signatures she does. She laughed and said “I don’t have to do the signature!”

So I agreed for her to do it as long as she doesn’t put a massive signature on it.

Weeks later, I’m getting a bit impatient as I really wanted it weeks ago and had I gone to someone else it would have been done by now. She sent me an update on it last week and it was looking amazing, I was so excited about it.

Last night she sent me the finished work - massive red signature across it. I replied saying “why have you ruined it with that stupid signature?! I can’t accept it like that”. She replied saying the signature was a lot smaller than she normally does them and she’s spent weeks on it and needs paying. I don’t want it :-( The agreement was so daft signature, she went against that. WIBU to not accept it?

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Undeterminedtartan · 19/01/2024 08:31

That's very frustrating. Do you have it writing 'no signature' and her agreeing to that stipulation? Does she say 'I can do it smaller' etc without agreeing to remove it.

It's important to look at the exact wording of the agreement, hopefully in writing?

Advent0range · 19/01/2024 08:31

Do you have anything in writing?

bombardelli · 19/01/2024 08:31

YANBU. She agreed no big red signature and then did it anyway. Don’t pay her a penny!

underneaththeash · 19/01/2024 08:32

How much was it?

bombardelli · 19/01/2024 08:32

Undeterminedtartan · 19/01/2024 08:31

That's very frustrating. Do you have it writing 'no signature' and her agreeing to that stipulation? Does she say 'I can do it smaller' etc without agreeing to remove it.

It's important to look at the exact wording of the agreement, hopefully in writing?

I doubt there’s an agreement for painting so OP doesn’t have to pay her at all if there isn’t an agreement.

Strugglingtodomybest · 19/01/2024 08:32

You were very clear that you didn't want the signature so I think you're well within your rights not to accept the painting as it is not what you commissioned.

Your sister knows exactly what she has done here. Can she paint over the signature?

MikStone · 19/01/2024 08:33

Nothing in writing. £200 to pay.

I’ll ask if she can paint over the signature.

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Itslegitimatesalvage · 19/01/2024 08:33

She needs to accept that even though you are family, she is also a business owner and needs to treat any work from family the same as any other random from the public. You told her you hadn’t chosen her for this because of the stupid signature, she agreed not to do that, and did it anyway. So you say no. Remind her of the terms you agreed, remind her that you were originally going to go with a different artist because of this issue and she assured you this wouldn’t happen so you won’t be paying. Tell her you love her, but this is a business transaction, nothing to do with your relationship and she hasn’t provided what was discussed.

ExpressCheckout · 19/01/2024 08:35

Tell her that you're going to find another artist to retouch the painting. Her ego might then make her do this herself. Then pay, of course.

MikStone · 19/01/2024 08:35

Honestly the first thing you see when you look at any of her paintings is the signature. The subject matter is lost behind it. My mum has one of her paintings on the wall and the signature hits you as soon as you walk in the room.

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PossumintheHouse · 19/01/2024 08:36

She sounds breathtakingly arrogant. Why won’t she listen to feedback from her customers!?

I’d refuse to pay unless she erased the signature.

theduchessofspork · 19/01/2024 08:36

She can’t paint over it - tell her to do that and then she gets paid.

She really is being a dick

Hankunamatata · 19/01/2024 08:36

You told her you didn't want the signature and she did it anyway. It's stupid she has did what exactly you asked her not to do.
I thought signatures should be small and blend in with painting.

Itslegitimatesalvage · 19/01/2024 08:38

She is going to have to learn that if you go against what your customer has commissioned then you don’t get paid. You’ve nothing in writing but that really doesn’t matter. Don’t pay for it. I can’t stand artists who ignored what their customers ask for after agreeing to do it, then charging them.

Piffle11 · 19/01/2024 08:38

She didn’t have to accept the commission if she didn’t want to do it your way. She agreed to your terms, and then did what she wanted anyway. I wouldn’t be paying for the painting as it is: I’d ask her to change it to what I wanted.

SD1978 · 19/01/2024 08:44

You commissioned her to do a piece of artwork, specified that you didn't want her 'signature' signature on it and she agreed. She has gone back on that, and has not delivered the piece you both agreed on. Family or not, I would t pay either u less she is able to fix it.

PaperBauble · 19/01/2024 08:54

There’s a difference between having a style as an artist and respecting the wishes of a commissioning client. If having her signature so prominent is such a big deal then that’s a discussion she should have had with you in detail, and she could have declined to do the painting. Your sister doesn’t seem to understand how commissioning works.

You should ask her to do the work again as you want it, or she doesn’t get paid. Otherwise you’ll feel obliged to put a painting on your wall that annoys you and who wants that!

Startingagainandagain · 19/01/2024 09:07

She really needs to learn the hard way so be firm!

Tell her you won't take or pay for the painting in its current condition.

Up to her to decide if she wants to remove the signature and make a sale. If not ,she stays stuck with it and does not get paid.

I am a painter and always sign the back of the canvas. No need for it to ruin the composition.

When I do commissions for people the agreement is I have to produce something that satisfies the buyer and meets the initial brief.

Ladybugandflowers · 19/01/2024 09:09

I’m an artist - and I would never do this! I always sign the back or edge of a canvas if that makes sense so can’t be seen face on.

If you’ve asked her not to do and and she’s disregarded your requests I wouldn’t pay her or accept the work. Sister or not, if she doesn’t listen to her clients she’s not going to be very successful!

Doppelgangers · 19/01/2024 09:13

No definitely don't pay her. She either fixes it by painting over the stupid signature and gets paid or doesn't and you rightly don't give her a penny.

She's running a business if she can't listen to her customers even if they are family members then she's not going to last very long.

trollopolis · 19/01/2024 09:14

You said "no massive signature"; she says the signature is significantly smaller than usual.

Even though you and some of your friends don't like it, it's a feature of her work

I think that you needed to be clearer in the first place - that you wanted no signature at all, so that there was no reasonable inference that not massive was OK

Or you should have chosen an artist who did not sign work in that way - but you chose someone who has it as an intrinsic feature of their work.

Now I'm assuming that you chose her for family reasons. That needs to guide your response. How much fuss will it cause if you simply decline to purchase?

Mischance · 19/01/2024 09:17

You gave her a brief: a painting with no big signature.

She did not deliver on that brief so she doesn't get paid. End of.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 09:20

trollopolis · 19/01/2024 09:14

You said "no massive signature"; she says the signature is significantly smaller than usual.

Even though you and some of your friends don't like it, it's a feature of her work

I think that you needed to be clearer in the first place - that you wanted no signature at all, so that there was no reasonable inference that not massive was OK

Or you should have chosen an artist who did not sign work in that way - but you chose someone who has it as an intrinsic feature of their work.

Now I'm assuming that you chose her for family reasons. That needs to guide your response. How much fuss will it cause if you simply decline to purchase?

Did you read the OP?

She chose somebody else for this very reason, but her sister cajoled her into going with her instead - securing the commission based on a false promise.

I don't think it would be fair to insist to any artist that they shouldn't add any signature; but most artists realise that it should be discreet and in the corner, so that you can see it if you look for it, but it doesn't distract from the actual painting.

It's quite standard that you put your name to your work but the work itself is the main thing - whatever kind of work it is.

Makeitmakesensetoday · 19/01/2024 09:21

I cant picture an artist doing a massive signature across their work. Have you got a photo of an example?

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 19/01/2024 09:26

Is she one of these artists who thinks that people are basically buying into her, rather than her art? That they don't care what the painting really is, but just want all of their friends to know that they have 'a Florence Wilkins' in their home?

She sounds very talented, and able to earn well from her skills; but she will throw it all away if she doesn't listen to what her customers want. There's no point doing the finest horse painting ever, if your customer clearly told you that they wanted a painting of their cat.