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23 and 18?

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KSaylor · 26/11/2023 23:54

I'm just asking before I say anything to my son and cause drama.
My son is 23 (24 in January), recently moved to London for his job, never had a girlfriend before. At his job there is an 18 year old degree apprentice, she only turned 18 in August and they are now dating.
My daughters 18 and 20 respectively think 18 and 23 is wild. She is just starting uni he's left etc. They keep calling it creepy.
To me 5 years isn't that big of a deal? I appreciate that appropriate age gaps change with age (ie 18 and 25 might be odd but 28 and 35 not).
AIBU to be wondering if this age gap is appropriate and if I should say something to my son?

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SpecialG · 27/11/2023 21:10

My husband and I started dating when I was 19 (nearly 20) and he was 26. I didn't think a thing of it and as far as I am aware neither did anyone else. That was 22 years ago though

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 27/11/2023 21:06

There's a big power difference there

VeronicaSawyer89 · 27/11/2023 20:21

Nah 5 years is fine at that age. My husband is 4 years older than me, we got together when I was 16.

ellie09 · 27/11/2023 20:04

No, its not strange.

I would say anything over 5 years is pushing it though at that age.

I met my ex husband when I was 17 and he was 20. We married eventually but obviously it didnt work out. Nobody thought it was weird.

My current partner was 25 when he dated a 19 year old. He said in hindsight, she seemed very immature but that nobody raised an eyebrow at the age at the time.

ZiggyZowie · 27/11/2023 20:02

I was just turned 18 when I met my bloke,he was 25.

I'm now 65 and he's 72, been 40 years married

HamsterBanana · 27/11/2023 19:59

Nope! I met my now DH at 16 and he was 23, got together at 17 and 24 and had a happy sixteen years together.
Age is just a number.

thaegumathteth · 27/11/2023 19:51

Dh was 23 and graduated and I was 19 and just started Uni when we met. Been together 23 years. Never even considered it was weird.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 27/11/2023 19:41

That’s my parents’ age gap. I thought it was normal.

x2boys · 27/11/2023 19:39

CrapBucket · 27/11/2023 19:07

Today’s 18 year olds missed out on a couple of years of normal development with the lockdowns and disruption (even if this particular woman sailed through it she’d have had peers in all sorts of different places mentally and socially) so I don’t actually believe a 2023 18 year old can be mature enough for their age to date a 23 year old. And agree it’s a line trotted out about women to make it seem ok for older men to date them.

Everybody missed out during the pandemic,we can't keep.blaming Covid for everything for evermore
Previous generations have had world war ,s to deal.wih but nobody ever tried to say they were younger then they were though

MargotBamborough · 27/11/2023 19:36

I think it depends on the two people involved. But I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with it.

When I was in my first graduate job I worked with a guy who was about 23 or 24 and he was a bit embarrassed about the fact that his girlfriend was 18 and just starting uni. They're still together (and married) over a decade later.

TeenLifeMum · 27/11/2023 19:35

At 18 I dated a 24 yo - most immature adult I’ve ever met (in hindsight). Not dodgy though imo.

CVVW · 27/11/2023 19:33

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 27/11/2023 17:52

Of course the girl is entitled to make her own decisions. But equally, the OP's dds are entitled to feel uncomfortable about the idea of an 18yo going out with a 23yo. "Creepy" is quite a value-laden term, and perhaps they could have found a more tactful way of expressing it, but they are entitled to feel what they feel and it doesn't make them nasty!

Like I said we don't know them. I suppose I'm going off how the young woman I know would feel but she was really mature at 18 years old.

The DD's might genuinely find it odd or they might just be being nasty about their Brother.

It's not unusual even now for a young woman to want to date a man who is not the same age.

FreshWinterMorning · 27/11/2023 19:25

18 and 23 is absolutely fine.

Fionaville · 27/11/2023 19:24

She's over 18. I don't think it's a big deal really.

nokidshere · 27/11/2023 19:23

They are both adults. It's no one's business but their own.

The amount of infantilising is getting ridiculous these days. Soon our young people won't be allowed to make their own decisions until they are 25. At 18 you are an adult. And, unless you are a vulnerable one, it's no one's business if the person you are sleeping with is 20, 40, 60 or 80.

No wonder people are so anxious all the time if they are never allowed to think for themselves.

18/23 is a perfectly normal age gap.

LimeCheesecake · 27/11/2023 19:22

@CrapBucket - todays 23 year olds also missed out on their first couple of years of adulthood and maturing. They were either WFH or studying at home. Socialising in bubbles.

Strawberrycheesecake7 · 27/11/2023 19:17

She is an adult so I don’t see a problem. I had just turned 18 when I met my husband and he was 23. It did feel like a bit of an age gap at first but I certainly wasn’t a child and I knew what I was doing. I was quite a mature 18 year old and he was quite a “young” 23 if that makes sense so it evened out. Neither of us had had a serious relationship before. We’ve been together 7 years now and I don’t even notice the age gap anymore. I feel like I spend half my life telling him what he needs to do in terms of parenting our son, jobs around the house etc. I forget he’s the older one.

CrapBucket · 27/11/2023 19:07

Today’s 18 year olds missed out on a couple of years of normal development with the lockdowns and disruption (even if this particular woman sailed through it she’d have had peers in all sorts of different places mentally and socially) so I don’t actually believe a 2023 18 year old can be mature enough for their age to date a 23 year old. And agree it’s a line trotted out about women to make it seem ok for older men to date them.

Riverstep · 27/11/2023 18:56

I was 18, dp 22 when we met and I was the mature one 🤣. Still together now in our 40’s.

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/11/2023 18:53

I had a five year gap a 18 and he was actually much more mature than me too. I was a first year and he was postgrad. It gave me some stability more than anything and naturally ran its course after a couple of years.

Yes it would have been a different matter if he'd been abusive but women of all ages seem to manage to get themselves into abusive situations.

ladywhothefock · 27/11/2023 18:53

My son is 22, he was recently set up with a friend of a friend and it turned out she was just turned 18. He said wasn’t up for that and didn’t go on the date.

As an aside, when I was 17, my boyfriend was 26. We both worked at the same place, it wasn’t seen as weird back then (mid 90s). We were only together less than a year but have remained good friends almost 30 years later. He’s horrified now, looking back, I’m not at all. It was normal then, no one batted an eyelid.

SaltySeaAir · 27/11/2023 18:52

Exactly the same as my now husband and I when we met. I was month off 18 and about to start uni. 21 years later we are still together, married for 11 years and 2 kids.

NotLactoseFree · 27/11/2023 18:25

Ineedasitdown · 27/11/2023 18:19

At what age do we stop infantilising young women? Boys are considered men at 18 and cut no slack due to age.
young women are subjected to Victorian level Pearl clutching. It’s an acceptable age limit as they are both legal and he isn’t in a position of power over her. It is no one else’s business.

I'd have an issue with a 23 year old woman and an 18 year old man.

It's about life experience, maturity and time of life though. at this age, the gap can be relatively small in age but significant in experience. At 23, I was interested in a 40 year old man. The reality is that it wasn't appropriate for either one of us - we were NOT in the same place in our lives and neither of us took it further beyond a bit of flirting because we could see that.

Ineedasitdown · 27/11/2023 18:19

At what age do we stop infantilising young women? Boys are considered men at 18 and cut no slack due to age.
young women are subjected to Victorian level Pearl clutching. It’s an acceptable age limit as they are both legal and he isn’t in a position of power over her. It is no one else’s business.

CasperGutman · 27/11/2023 18:08

Based on the official* half your age plus seven rule, they're just about on the limit of OK. 23/2+7 = 18.5.

*Entirely unofficial. But usually 'feels' about right.

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