Zara Aleena

I heard about this on the radio the other day and it really shocked me. It sends out the wrong message. Is there a petition anyone has seen about the slashing of the sentence, other than the 'Face the Family' one?

Paragraph 29 of the judge’s Sentencing Remarks deals with the argument that she was unconscious early on and that her suffering was an aggravating feature. He suggests that the reason the defendant may have returned to her body twice may have been because she was conscious.

I'n so disgusted that his sentence has been cut, it's outrageous. Her poor family 💔😡

I’m so shocked by this. Why does he even get an appeal against sentence length? Just making money for scum solicitors who should be ashamed of themselves. This is a the most dangerous kind of criminal rapist and we’re spending tax money on making his sentence lighter? As a woman I feel utterly betrayed by the legal system. Poor Zara and her family.

He was a career criminal.by the sounds of it what a nice fella not.

Why does he want to be so violent and horrible couldn't he have got help?
Horrible way to live your life?
On the night of the attack he was thrown out the pub for harassing women.
Why didn't the landlord report this to the police
Why didn't the women who tried to escape him call the police.
I would have done.
Might have saved this poor woman's life?

The fact the defence say because she was rendered unconscious quickly she didn't suffer! Like hell she didn't. I did wonder where they say she stopped moving at the start of the attack whether it was a freeze response rather than being unconscious. I read the report via a link from Victoria Derbyshires Twitter account. It is a very hard read.

EDIT just saw @41quid posted the link in their thread about this above.

He deserves to rot in jail and I am disgusted he has had his sentence reduced.

I just cannot understand the reasoning here, the fact he rendered her unconscious quickly yet STILL carried on with a horrifically violent attack when she had no way of fighting back makes him even more of a monster to me?

World dosent need him. Wouldn't care less if he was destroyed. If he was an animal he would have been put down.
He was serving no purpose on earth at all
He still isn't as taxpayers are paying to keep him alive.
Didn't some woman try and get off with him in jail. She worked there. What a disgrace.
Why would she want to go with someone like that?

Nothing like supporting other women is there.
What sort of message was she also giving out to the sisterhood?

Thank you for linking your thread @41quid I hadn't noticed the money. Jesus 😡

I did start a thread when I saw the news - the verdict is awful

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4934742-tw-sex-murderer-jordan-mcsweeney-5-years-for-ps41

Here's the article in the Guardian with some quotes from Zara's family who, it seems, are being very pragmatic.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/03/man-who-murdered-zara-aleena-succeeds-in-appeal-court-bid-to-reduce-minimum-term-of-sentence

I'm sorry, I wish I could obscure his face.

As the murderer was due to be recalled to custody, it seems to me patently obviously he was set on having a woman before the bars were locked behind him. It appears the original judge also thought that, the appeal judges thought different. For some reason that reduced his sentence. Also, he didn't stop her calling for help, sexually assault and murder her, he just robbed, sexually assaulted her and murdered her which isn't as serious.

I think her family's words, quoted from the above article are so sad, brave and lovely

“Zara, a beacon of hope, a symbol of change. Her tragic murder stands as a catalyst for reshaping how society safeguards women. She serves as our guiding light, and we invite each and every one of you to stand with us in preserving her memory, supporting our campaigning efforts, and ensuring that her legacy is not forgotten.”

@MorrisZapp presumably because they never think they will be caught.

Oh god this is unspeakable. That poor, poor woman. Her family will be broken forever.

Can any psychologist answer why the pretty certain knowledge of a lengthy prison sentence doesn't stop these men? I get that they're narcissists and have no care for human life, but why don't they care for their own liberty? To me, this is the mystery of serious violent crime.

Evil sex attacker who beat woman to death on her way home has life sentence cut www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-zara-aleena-killer-wins-31350671?utm_source=app

link from a different newspaper

@IcakethereforeIam I just came on to say the exact same thing, I just read it online and am actually in tears it's so unbelievable to me that this could happen.

I'm sorry to wake up an old thread but it seems sensible to keep these together. If anyone want a new thread, please go ahead. I haven't found a newer one.

I don't understand why his sentence has been reduced. Perhaps I've misunderstood the article but it seems to be because she didn't suffer...for too long? She's dead. He killed her. He inflicted over forty wounds on her. She was beaten, stamped on and sexually assaulted...by him. This seems to be the pertinent bit

“Having correctly found that Ms Aleena must have been rendered unconscious at an early stage in the attack, the judge had lacked a sufficient evidential basis on which to be sure that there had been additional mental or physical suffering such as to justify an increase in the 30-year starting point.”

I'm speechless. It's like he's being rewarded for killing her quickly*.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/03/zara-aleena-murderer-jordan-mcsweeney-life-sentence/

https://archive.ph/1X3Co archive link to get round the paywall

*although she was still alive when found.

Everything's on their side too. Who makes these rights up?

That's why I take my hat off to prisoner officers who have to see these people everyday.

I lived in a caravan on a traveller site,next door caravan was empty. One day a man arrived, kept himself to himself never spoke.

One day DS (4) found a knife outside one of our windows, (I remember posting about it here)

The next day a Nepalese woman was murdered at the footpath that run alongside the site. It was the man in the caravan next us. He had been driven from Kent by his parents due to vigilante threats for "his safety". They paid his first months rent and disappeared off into the sunset. So i wholeheartedly agree with you.

www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/13402062.man-given-life-sentence-for-murdering-nepalese-woman-krishnamaya-mabo/

Belief is great but where is the evidence base that all types of offenders can be rehabilitated?

Whenever I've looked at data I'm struck by the extent to which education (both academic and social) can help, that rehabilitation can help but not for all categories of offenders.

Persistent sex offenders, violent against women seem particularly resistant and I've seen little evidence that anything works long term for paedophiles (and in some strategies the behaviour has been reinforced long term after short term apparent benefits).

So maybe we do need a different approach and strategy to classes of extreme offence which are particularly resistant to rehab and that may be, for instance. acceptance of a loss of some liberties to be allowed to function in society outside of prison walls.

And put a curfew on men.

Society, in which violence is overwhelmingly a crime men, almost entirely when you look at sexual violence, currently operates a model where women are held responsible for that violence.

Its women who face the cost and inconvenience of male violence, its women who are blamed and investigated when reporting violence and sexual assault by a male dominated police force which is systemically and persistently sexist and racist. And yes there are good committed police officers (many of whom end up leaving in the face of the culture) but bluntly we are looking for the good apples in barrels which are mediocre and look the other way if not actually rotting.

Perhaps if all men have to share the cost, the pain and the inconvenience of male violence there will be less "Not all Men" and "Not my Nigel" and simply shrugging "not me mate" and carrying on with life and a bit more effort to actually change their brothers' behaviours.

The Probation Service is being made a scapegoat. Like every public service it is under funded and under resourced. Easier to blame individuals rather than accept systemic social problems.

But you can lock up people who have already been recalled to prison for breaching the terms of their parole. Which was the case here but they just hadn’t found the time to go and get the guy who should have been in prison. He should have been in prison based on what he had already done.

@JoyBeorge

Its been reported today that the Probation service is coming under criticism for releasing this sexual predator. Whilst it's welcome news it's no consolation to her family. Women still need to take care of their safety.

Me too@Greenshake, on the whole it's enjoyable. Even the nastiest offender can make me laugh

But I struggle a bit with having a nice chat on the wings then I discover what he's in for!! I try not to know but that's near on impossible

The job is not for everyone though,I appreciate that