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Ruth Hunt on butch lesbians not needing the support of ‘transphobes’

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howonearthdidigethere Sun 19-Nov-17 17:27:54

Ruth Hunt in the Independent today:

It drives me mad! She says that talking to a specialist is not the same as transitioning but schools and services are being told to affirm children’s gender identity so what opportunity is there for it to be challenged? Also, schools have to reorganise based on a child’s say-so, regardless of medical or psychiatric assessment. Does she actually believe what she’s saying?

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans Sun 19-Nov-17 17:36:59

Ruth Hunt may have other concerns. She's now getting accused of terfery on Twitter for differentiating between transwomen & butch lesbians. Or something.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel Sun 19-Nov-17 17:39:27

Blooming heck - they're turning on Ruth Hunt?!

SelmaAndJubjub Sun 19-Nov-17 17:44:29

Be thou as chaste as ice, as pure as snow, thou shalt not escape calumny

No level of subservience is ever enough for the TRAs. No sympathy for Hunt though - she has thrown lesbians under the bus to serve her TRA paymasters and deserves all she gets.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans Sun 19-Nov-17 17:46:04

Well, it only seems to be that one tweeter at the moment... shows nobody's safe though!

Gingernaut Sun 19-Nov-17 17:50:01

Clicky linky

QueenLaBeefah Sun 19-Nov-17 18:00:04

Struggling to find any sympathy for the predicament Ms Hunt has found herself in. She sold women down the river and I'm at a loss why she imagined she would be immune from the same treatment. The trans lobby are nothing but a bunch of bullies.

Koloh Sun 19-Nov-17 18:12:39

Looks like a troll account to me. Did you click through?

hackmum Sun 19-Nov-17 18:16:06

Here's the world's tiniest violin playing for Ruth Hunt...

Koloh Sun 19-Nov-17 18:17:59

Eesh. Don't let yourself be made dupes because it suits your narrative, people! It's tempting, I know, but we can do better.

CakeFreeWonderland Sun 19-Nov-17 18:20:29

Like 99% if people I had no idea what a Terf might be, nor why trans-type thingies were cross with them.

I wish I had stayed in happy ignorance.

AlternativeTentacle Sun 19-Nov-17 18:20:46

Funny how the only people that the Trans lobby don't abuse is men.

Er, just like [wait for it] men.

hackmum Sun 19-Nov-17 18:39:53

I've just had a look at the Ms_Pseudo account and it's clearly taking the piss out of TRAs. It's quite funny, actually.

hackmum Sun 19-Nov-17 18:40:46

Sample post: "TERFS killed everyone I love and gave my dog cancer."

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans Sun 19-Nov-17 18:44:16

grin OK.

Betty184 Sun 19-Nov-17 21:51:01

I just can't even begin to understand that woman. She must know what is going on. She must know that what she is saying is a lie.

We’ve been here before. Just a few years ago, we were fighting to remove the infamous Section 28 – which banned “promotion” of homosexuality by local authorities – from our statute books.

Yes, I grew up as a young lesbian through all that. Not only was my school not a welcoming place to be a young lesbian, it wasn't allowed to be. It was forbidden to present homosexuality as 'normal'. With "trans*" it has within a very short space of time being promoted across schools and teachers are afraid to question anything, even where they think it is promoting sexist stereotypes and pushing children towards thinking they are in the wrong body.

Having lived through a lot of the fights for LGB rights, I know how different this is - how within such a short space of time (since the 'T' got expanded from 'transsexual' to 'any predator who says he is') this has suddenly become an all-powerful lobby, with dissenting voices stamped out. Because it is no longer about transsexuals but is now a movement for powerful heterosexual men to assert their rights over women.

One particularly strange tactic that anti-trans campaigners use is presenting any move forward for trans rights as being inevitably at the cost of lesbian rights.

Because it is. And she is hearing this repeatedly from lesbians but is choosing to stick her fingers in her ears and ignore it.

They claim that the identities of young, butch lesbians are being erased, and that instead of being allowed to feel confident in their sexual orientation and as themselves, they are being pushed into believing they are trans men. But the hard facts simply aren’t there to back any of this up.

So why wasn't she able to answer any of the questions that Janice Turner put to her? If there is a defendable position on this, I'm willing to listen. I'm someone who started out in the 'pro-trans' camp (as I think did many lesbians) but was won over by reasoned argument and concerns about what I was seeing happening in real life (which was changing massively from my long experience of transsexual individuals within our community). The transactivists just can't debate the issues and I can only conclude it is because they know their arguments don't stack up.

Lesbian identities have often been hidden in our movement. That void is nothing new, and is something I am personally very serious about tackling.

Hmmm. Well, I'm seeing lots of stuff on trans rights from Stonewall, maybe she could run through all the things they are achieving for lesbians (preferably the female ones).

Maybe the transphobic sections of the press are simply, cynically, using the oldest tactic in the playbook here – to try to divide and rule. But I don’t think it’s going to work this time.

It's completely worked - The LGBT 'community' has been ripped apart - but it's not 'transphobes' who have achieved this.

Sure, there has also been a fair amount of bile and vitriol, and abuse across social media directed at trans people and their allies.

Seriously, how can she write this crap? I understand that some 'pro trans' people don't know what is going on. As someone who wasn't really engaged in online trans stuff or transactivism specifically (just as part of 'LGBT rights') I wasn't aware of all this abuse - but she is in the thick of this, she is on twitter - She knows who is abusing, threatening and assaulting who.

I could go on but what's the point? I presume Stonewall have seen that some papers are printing articles questioning the ideology so are trying to push back. I can't believe this is a organisation that used to be for LGB people and which I used to support....

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