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Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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fromorbit · 02/05/2026 11:45

Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Greens internal drama warms up | Mumsnet

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts. *How the Green Party forgot...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

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fromorbit · 20/06/2026 09:51

1984Now · 20/06/2026 09:09

It is interesting what sticks, or doesn't stick, to politicians to tarnish them, or even lead to their demise.
Farage can run any number of dodgy facts and allegations, and kind of ride them out (school days racism/anti Semitism, his former close colleague now in jail), yet the £5m donation is not shifting as a bad story.
Polanski initially seemed to brazen out Hypnoboobs insults, yet he's beached on the very bank he never paid council tax to moor on.
Which brings us onto The King Of The North.
Does he still keep his crown nice and shiny upon interrogation over Mid Staffs NHS scandal, his shameful obfuscation on the grooming gangs in Manchester, his derogatory views expressed re GC women?
Have I omitted anything?
I suspect he may very well do so.
It's all too easy to pull apart sexist misogynist lightweights like Rob Kenyon, he's not a player, but the likes of Burnham are hugely media savvy, and can really play the game.
I'd love to think the MSM will pull Burnham apart on what I consider signature failings, but I don't think they will.

Being a charismatic bloke with a high profile leadership role is a huge asset, the media can run stories of Burnham's past but it is going to be limited in effect. Remember Boris people just want someone to believe in despite his huge track record of scandals.

Burnham is not flawless as a politician he lost to Jeremy Corbyn. The left are probably going to be his biggest critics when he goes all out to retain the Mayor of Manchester for Labour and crush the Greens. However he learns from his mistakes.

We are heading into a massive dick swinging contest between egotistical men over the next few years- Polanski, Farage, Burnham, Lowe and of those Burnham is the one I think with the widest popular touch and as you say he is great at media. However what is going to add real drama to it all is Kemi who is going to be calling them all out.

Who knows where the British public will land. Once Starmer is out of the picture that will really change the field because no-one likes him and he is a huge asset to all the opposition parties.

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SionnachRuadh · 20/06/2026 10:17

Probably the sweet spot for Labour would be Burnham just representing Starmerism with northern characteristics. There are deeper reasons for the government's unpopularity, and I don't think Burnham can fix them, but simply replacing Starmer with Burnham would have to be worth a few points on the basis of Burnham being a good communicator with a likeable persona, and not having some of Starmer's specific pitfalls like the endless low-level scandals and the personal association with two-tier policing.

Unfortunately Andy is a windsock and will go along with what's popular in the PLP, which will usually be the opposite of what's popular with the median voter.

As for the others, I don't think Lowe's outfit has much long-term viability (after running a schizophrenic by-election campaign where they wouldn't let the candidate do any media, and tried to appeal both to ex-BNP types by saying "vote for us because Nigel is an open borders lefty" and to Facebook mums by saying "vote for us because the Reform candidate made some sexist jokes on the Wigan Warriors forum in 2014") - and I assume eventually Elon will lose interest and move on.

Is the air going out of the Polanski bubble? Not that I think Carla Denyer is a political genius, but would the Greens have brighter prospects if she'd stayed on?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 10:36

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 09:31

he arrived in a blacked-out white SUV surrounded by lackeys

So Green. Much eco.

yes, I boggled at that. How gangster.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 10:40

SionnachRuadh · 20/06/2026 10:17

Probably the sweet spot for Labour would be Burnham just representing Starmerism with northern characteristics. There are deeper reasons for the government's unpopularity, and I don't think Burnham can fix them, but simply replacing Starmer with Burnham would have to be worth a few points on the basis of Burnham being a good communicator with a likeable persona, and not having some of Starmer's specific pitfalls like the endless low-level scandals and the personal association with two-tier policing.

Unfortunately Andy is a windsock and will go along with what's popular in the PLP, which will usually be the opposite of what's popular with the median voter.

As for the others, I don't think Lowe's outfit has much long-term viability (after running a schizophrenic by-election campaign where they wouldn't let the candidate do any media, and tried to appeal both to ex-BNP types by saying "vote for us because Nigel is an open borders lefty" and to Facebook mums by saying "vote for us because the Reform candidate made some sexist jokes on the Wigan Warriors forum in 2014") - and I assume eventually Elon will lose interest and move on.

Is the air going out of the Polanski bubble? Not that I think Carla Denyer is a political genius, but would the Greens have brighter prospects if she'd stayed on?

From what I know of them from close friends in the party, the Greens vote their leaders in regularly, and none of them seem to stay all that long, so it’s possible he won’t be leader at the time of the next election anyway, particularly if he pisses off the various identitarian factions.

Pingponghavoc · 20/06/2026 10:47

Labour will get a goodwill bounce if Burnham gets to be leader, and it could last a while. But the fundamentals problems are still there in the country and they have too many poor MPs so no-one to shine and lots to get bored in the backbenches.

Funny how no one is talking about the lib dems?

Lalgarh · 20/06/2026 10:53

Yes Dick swinging contest is exactly the phrase unfortunately. Ed Davey must be eyeing up theme parks for zip liners he can ride for photo opportunities

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/06/2026 10:54

SionnachRuadh · 20/06/2026 10:17

Probably the sweet spot for Labour would be Burnham just representing Starmerism with northern characteristics. There are deeper reasons for the government's unpopularity, and I don't think Burnham can fix them, but simply replacing Starmer with Burnham would have to be worth a few points on the basis of Burnham being a good communicator with a likeable persona, and not having some of Starmer's specific pitfalls like the endless low-level scandals and the personal association with two-tier policing.

Unfortunately Andy is a windsock and will go along with what's popular in the PLP, which will usually be the opposite of what's popular with the median voter.

As for the others, I don't think Lowe's outfit has much long-term viability (after running a schizophrenic by-election campaign where they wouldn't let the candidate do any media, and tried to appeal both to ex-BNP types by saying "vote for us because Nigel is an open borders lefty" and to Facebook mums by saying "vote for us because the Reform candidate made some sexist jokes on the Wigan Warriors forum in 2014") - and I assume eventually Elon will lose interest and move on.

Is the air going out of the Polanski bubble? Not that I think Carla Denyer is a political genius, but would the Greens have brighter prospects if she'd stayed on?

Not that I think Carla Denyer is a political genius, but would the Greens have brighter prospects if she'd stayed on?

Carla Denya is off sick with “burnout” from being a constituency MP so I’m not sure that she could or should be saddled with leadership responsibilities.

1984Now · 20/06/2026 10:57

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 10:36

yes, I boggled at that. How gangster.

Did he pay the road tax on that vehicle? Or did he forget because, well, he was so poor?

Lalgarh · 20/06/2026 11:56

The Zack army are still haranguing Tax nerd Dan Neidle over his investigation in the houseboat council tax situation

https://nitter.net/DanNeidle/status/2067924251823251717#m

SionnachRuadh · 20/06/2026 12:10

I mean maybe I've been around too long but it always feels to me like the Green breakthrough is a bit like the Armie Hammer comeback, everyone talks about but it never seems to happen

fromorbit · 20/06/2026 18:16

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 10:40

From what I know of them from close friends in the party, the Greens vote their leaders in regularly, and none of them seem to stay all that long, so it’s possible he won’t be leader at the time of the next election anyway, particularly if he pisses off the various identitarian factions.

The next Green leadership and deputy leadership contest will be next year in 2027.

I expect it to by rather nasty in as much Ali Mothin if he stands again will see a big wave against him as he has upset TAs, Jewish Greens, Zack fanatics, and anyone sensible really. He just has the Gaza fanatics onside and I don't think they are the majority of the party.

Zack is responsible for a huge wave of new members so if he sees off this "anti racism/zionism" revolt this year which I think he will I think he would be re-elected rather easily.

Interesting to see if Milward is re-elected she isn't amazing but she is better than Mothin. I suspect the Gaza lot will target her though.

The wider impact of a big internal drama over Zionism inside the Greens will be interesting to see. It could seriously dent their appeal with some voters and could help Burnham Labour.

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ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 18:30

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 10:36

yes, I boggled at that. How gangster.

Je vous présente Baggy Khan, with his Lamborgini.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/bolton-green-councillor-lamborghini-videos-33942515

Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3
ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 18:40

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/06/2026 10:54

Not that I think Carla Denyer is a political genius, but would the Greens have brighter prospects if she'd stayed on?

Carla Denya is off sick with “burnout” from being a constituency MP so I’m not sure that she could or should be saddled with leadership responsibilities.

My theory is Carla never recovered from her interview with LBC. Diagnosis is terminal cringe with excruciating cognitive dissonance.😊

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ChPAf8GoPgA

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ChPAf8GoPgA

SionnachRuadh · 20/06/2026 20:11

The danger of burnout is obviously what's driving their strategy of not allowing Mothin Ali to speak to mainstream media.

fromorbit · 20/06/2026 20:48

SionnachRuadh · 20/06/2026 20:11

The danger of burnout is obviously what's driving their strategy of not allowing Mothin Ali to speak to mainstream media.

You don't want to waste Mothin on TV not with his great contacts with 5 pillars :)

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1984Now · 20/06/2026 21:20

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 18:40

My theory is Carla never recovered from her interview with LBC. Diagnosis is terminal cringe with excruciating cognitive dissonance.😊

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ChPAf8GoPgA

The interviewer was so good with her.
Not the Nick Ferrari both feet in style.
No, he tried his best to tease an answer out of her, almost put his arm around her while gently asking her one more time "what does it mean living like a woman?"
And her mix of rabbit in the headlights, cognitive dissonance palpable with every word, and the in the final analysis, she just froze, jibbering word salad.
If it wasn't so preposterous and effectively existentially negative to women, you almost feel pangs of sympathy for her.
But then you realise, she made her bed, she has to lie in it.

Lalgarh · 20/06/2026 22:50

And then there was Natalie Bennett with her coughing fit

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 23:52

As for other potential leaders, Adrian Ramsay is still in the party.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/06/2026 01:20

Much eco.

fromorbit · 21/06/2026 07:31

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 23:52

As for other potential leaders, Adrian Ramsay is still in the party.

Ramsay has not signed the famous anti-women EDM. Neither has Carla Denyer but she is off work.

He has shown sign of independent thinking before though. I would not be surprised he stood for leader again though he and Ellie were decisively defeated last time. He might just do it to keep democracy functioning.

Though also he and others might find others to stand as the "sensible" Green candidates.

It looks like the Manchester Mayoralty will be a interesting fight with the Greens facing Burnham Labour and Reform. Vote on July 30 using Single Transferable Vote. So a left candidate is very likely to win but will it be Labour or Greens.

In other news Greens complaints department are overwhelmed over the racism/anti-women complaints they are getting.

Chaotic Green Party tearing itself apart over internal complaints
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/20/chaotic-green-party-internal-complaints/
Since Zack Polanski became leader last year, the Green Party has been consumed by factionalism, infighting and accusations of anti-Semitism.

Now the party’s own disciplinary committee is tearing itself apart as it tries to deal with a mounting backlog of complaints.

Members of the disciplinary committee, who are responsible for investigating and managing grievances within the Green Party, have published two differing reports into the group’s failings.

While both papers acknowledged that “resource constraints have limited proactive case management”, they disagreed over whether Mehmood Naqshbandi, the former chairman, should shoulder the blame for the committee’s shortcomings.

The so-called “majority report”, written by Bernard Ekbery and supposedly representing the majority view of committee members, claims that the chairman’s productivity was inhibited by “personal circumstances”.

Mr Ekbery said the former chairman had taken an “in-depth look” at procedures, but added: “Unfortunately, personal circumstances then intervened for an extended period. In addition, a number of legally complex cases merited lengthy, careful preparation.”

In response, Rachel Collinson published a “minority report”, representing the alternative view of committee members, which she felt compelled to do to provide members with “a clear and full picture of events”.

Her report claimed that Mr Naqshbandi “did not make any inquiries as to the nature of the role nor the extent of the workload involved” when he decided to stand as disciplinary chairman.

Details from these newly published files also shine a new light on the party’s buckling internal machinery.

Between July 1, 2025, and June 10, 2026, the party received 116 disciplinary cases, representing a “significant and sustained increase” in complaints.

Of those, just 18 have concluded, while seven have been paused and 74 are still active, according to the report.

‘Disciplinary process riddled with corruption’

Just six disciplinary hearings took place between July and November last year. Then, for the next six months, from December 2025 to May this year, no full hearings took place.

In May, the chairman of the committee resigned. Currently, the committee has only managed to fill 15 out of 22 seats, stalling progress.

Reacting to the report and news that the party had made almost no progress resolving complaints, one Jewish Green Party member, who wishes to remain anonymous because of fears of a backlash, told The Telegraph: “To hear there has been little to no progress with complaints is deeply concerning.

“I am aware of Jewish members who are submitting complaints about members, and there is real concern that if these complaints are delayed then these people will continue to be a threat to Jewish members.”

Dr Shahar Ali, a former deputy leader of the Green Party, added: “I can certainly attest to the fact that the Green Party disciplinary process is thoroughly broken and has been riddled with corruption.

“In particular, it has been used by fanatical ideologues to suppress debate on sex-based rights by members.

“I think it’s unlikely that the current system can be retained and needs a massive overhaul. It is simply too vulnerable to weaponisation by activists intent on using it to punish or penalise members they disagree with.”

Both reports acknowledge that there has been a significant upturn in complaints because of an influx of new members as well as greater complexity in the reported cases.

Both conclude: “Demand has increased across standing orders for party discipline, constitutional matters, and safeguarding concerns, creating backlogs and extended case timelines.

“Resource constraints have limited proactive case management, slowed progression and delayed closures.

“Existing systems rely heavily on manual processes, resulting in inconsistent data capture, limited visibility of case status and restricted reporting capability.”

The committee has also failed in its duty to report the number of censures, suspensions and expulsions, “due to complications arising from reconciling conflicts in [the disciplinary committee] and complaints staff’s records and the lateness of the submission of this report”.

To tackle the crisis, the Green Party will recruit a full-time staff member, expected to start in September, to better manage complaints. The party has been contacted for comment.

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SionnachRuadh · 21/06/2026 09:20

Although as I understand it, the system Labour has snuck in for the mayoral by-election isn't full ranked choice voting, it's a 1-2 system that reallocates the second preferences of eliminated candidates.

The theory is that this will benefit Labour, e.g. even if Reform pile up votes in the outer boroughs and come top on first preferences, Labour will still win after getting loads of second preferences from the third-placed Green candidate.

But that relies on Labour being in the top two. What if they aren't?

ArabellaScott · 21/06/2026 09:22

the Green Party will recruit a full-time staff member, expected to start in September, to better manage complaints

I do not envy the poor sod charged with dealing with the cutted up pears.

Pingponghavoc · 21/06/2026 10:23

SionnachRuadh · 21/06/2026 09:20

Although as I understand it, the system Labour has snuck in for the mayoral by-election isn't full ranked choice voting, it's a 1-2 system that reallocates the second preferences of eliminated candidates.

The theory is that this will benefit Labour, e.g. even if Reform pile up votes in the outer boroughs and come top on first preferences, Labour will still win after getting loads of second preferences from the third-placed Green candidate.

But that relies on Labour being in the top two. What if they aren't?

They'll go for a personality. Always labour voters plus corrie/man united fans.

Lalgarh · 21/06/2026 10:33

Burnham is Liverpool fan isn't he?

There's a thread already on the expected resignation/ change of PM and one poster based in Manchester is already pissed that this likely means the Manchester mayoral election will go Reform

1984Now · 21/06/2026 10:49

Lalgarh · 21/06/2026 10:33

Burnham is Liverpool fan isn't he?

There's a thread already on the expected resignation/ change of PM and one poster based in Manchester is already pissed that this likely means the Manchester mayoral election will go Reform

Heard some rumours that the Reform candidate for the Manchester mayoralty will be nine other than...Rob Kenyon.
Should I put a Lol! or WTF?! after that?