Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

I think Polanski is a very canny operator. He's seeing the Reform leaning precariat (overtaxed and regulated working classes, those feeling crushed by the anarcho-tyranny of a two tier state and insecure borders) as not that different from his (Generation Rent, graduates caught in the NEETs trap/burden of student debt, inability to buy a place/start a family).
Where Farage doesn't look to appeal to the Polanski precariat, Polanski is deffo looking to appeal to the Farage precariat.
Clever politics. Because the divide is less marked than it appears, lots of crossover, and any leader who can get cross-divides appeal to the largest number of voters could make the breakthrough at the GE.
"Caring majority" is his variation of Corbyn's "for the many, not the few".

Looking forwards very much to Restore and Lowe being crushed in Makerfield.

🤣

I doubt they’re expecting to win it, are they? They just want to stop Reform winning.

And probably to recruit new supporters.

My thought too 😂

Ive learned something new today. Never knew there are 'Moors' in Merseyside.

20 miles further East maybe.

Did mams make bread back in the day?
I hope they offered up a choice including sourdough.

Lots of Restore's online supporters think they're going to win. But many of them are Americans, who think Elon Musk understands UK politics, and many of the British contingent are not exactly deep thinkers.

Ben Habib, who is more intelligent that half of Restore's membership put together, is talking about 5% being a win. Take that however you like.

There are also a lot of Restore supporters in the branches who didn't want to stand a candidate. Those people aren't actually far right - they're just people who like Reform policies but want Rupert in charge instead of Nigel. They're very vibes based - basically they think Rupert is a nice man and Nigel was mean to him, and that's their politics.

The point is that Alistair Harrison (who hardly anyone has heard of, but he's the guy who runs Restore and operates the "Rupert Lowe" social media accounts) - this is the guy who decided to stand in a by-election where they didn't have an organisation and could only anklebite Reform; he picked the candidate, this daft woman with a SEND pony rides business who didn't appear to know her own policies, and has not been allowed to do interviews; he's the guy behind stupid stunts like, today on polling day, getting a handful of Restore activists to rent a van, put a MUSLIMS FOR REFORM logo on it, and drive around after the Reform bus - which is exactly the sort of genius idea that will get you arrested for breaches of electoral law.

Alistair Harrison is a card-carrying pillock. But, in a party with no deputy leader or chair or executive or shadow spokespeople, he's the pillock who has the ear of Sleepy Rupert.

Another vote for the Substack, Sionnach.

Failing that, please take a column at a good paper.

I'm also keen to know, if it takes 20 years of graft to build a party from scratch, how long does it take to break one?

As they often say in business, it takes decades to build a reputation, and you can lose one in minutes.

I suspect Keir Starmer is the Gerald Ratner of Labour.

Im sorry but guilty lol at that stunt.

It raised a smirk here, too. Imagine the possibilities if they were allowed to get away with it though. Elections would be like a wacky races carnival float parade. Might actually help increase turnout.

Yes, I noticed the presence in that stunt of "Young Bob", a 17yo Restore influencer who seems determined to make himself unemployable before he's ever had a job. His usual shtick is to travel around the country trying to goad Muslims into beating him up.

I suppose he adds to the national gaiety.

He sounds a bit like Tarquin the TRA in that respect.

#moreincommon

Oh god. 😂

#moroncomein?

#more 'n conmen

There's a certain Benny Hill or Three Stooges vibe to that.
Comedy gold.

There's a certain look in his eyes that's really off-putting. Like those kids who learn to not blink.

Great article:

The useful idiocy of Zack Polanski
Polanski has done everything he possibly could to disassociate himself from his own previous Zionism, but it is not enough. It never would be. Because Zionism isn’t the problem.

Zack Polanski might think he is winning. Thanks to him, the Greens have doubled their membership, won a number of councils, and are poised to gain real political influence if the next election is tight.

He is lauded as a hero. On Wednesday night, as he arrived to help out Green Party members canvassing in a Hove by-election, he arrived in a blacked-out white SUV surrounded by lackeys. He probably felt he was on top. In control.

But, quite rapidly, it appears that any power he thought he might have had is being wrested from him.

Part of this is of his own making. The revelation that he did not pay council tax while living on a narrow boat, queries over whether he ever qualified as a hypnotherapist, derision over the time he tried to hypnotise a Sun journalist into growing her boobs and – most importantly – the fact he criticised police officers trying to stop the Golders Green stabber have all chipped away at his popularity.

To push back, he’s doubled and tripled down on his AsAJew status. He can barely utter a sentence without spitting out ‘the genocide’. He has constantly demanded that the UK should end arms sales to Israel and investigate the country for war crimes. He has backed sporting and cultural boycotts of Israeli football teams and supported the monitoring of UK-Israeli dual nationals who served in the IDF, saying they could be responsible for war crimes.

He didn’t even speak out against the Green party’s ‘Zionism is racism’ motion, even though it would mean labelling his own family – most of whom are Zionists and a few of whom made Aliyah – racists.

But still it isn’t enough for those who are really in control. Et tu, Mothin Ali? Because, yes, it is Zack’s trusty deputy who is on manoeuvres. Who could have guessed?

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/the-useful-idiocy-of-zack-polanski/

Time to take out shares in Butterkist.

It is interesting what sticks, or doesn't stick, to politicians to tarnish them, or even lead to their demise.
Farage can run any number of dodgy facts and allegations, and kind of ride them out (school days racism/anti Semitism, his former close colleague now in jail), yet the £5m donation is not shifting as a bad story.
Polanski initially seemed to brazen out Hypnoboobs insults, yet he's beached on the very bank he never paid council tax to moor on.
Which brings us onto The King Of The North.
Does he still keep his crown nice and shiny upon interrogation over Mid Staffs NHS scandal, his shameful obfuscation on the grooming gangs in Manchester, his derogatory views expressed re GC women?
Have I omitted anything?
I suspect he may very well do so.
It's all too easy to pull apart sexist misogynist lightweights like Rob Kenyon, he's not a player, but the likes of Burnham are hugely media savvy, and can really play the game.
I'd love to think the MSM will pull Burnham apart on what I consider signature failings, but I don't think they will.

he arrived in a blacked-out white SUV surrounded by lackeys

So Green. Much eco.