No rape took place outside Epsom church, claim police

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86ezy3qvjno

Either that or the police intimidated the victim into retracting her claims for the sake of quelling the riots.

'they now believe the woman concerned "sustained an accidental head injury" following a night out and made "a confused report".

Being gangraped is hardly the sort of thing a woman would get 'confused' about. This is absolutely outrageous.

Was the mix up with Epsom and Epping deliberate? Is it that the poster just sees all these protests as "far-right racism" and doesn't look at the nuances of each case and each community separately?

Where have I smeared any women?

Kent County Council spent £30,000 on driving lessons for asylum seekers.

It’s not necessarily a national scheme but other councils have also done this.

These are unaccompanied children whose asylum claims have been accepted.

They are no longer asylum seekers but refugees with five years' leave to remain, the right to work, claim benefits and be treated on the NHS. Their parents are not around so they are in the care of the local authority and have the same right to support as any other looked after child.

As part of its package for care leavers, Kent County Council offers driving lessons for all looked after children.

This info is in the article you linked but it's incredibly poorly written and (perhaps deliberately) plays upon people's confusion between asylum seekers, refugees, and people who are here illegally.

No. But the reasons behind the rioting, sorry, 'peaceful protest' (despite some being arrested for non-peaceful protesting) are the same. Well, apart from the face Epsom never gave any details, it was based on presumption and speculation.

And no, I don't see everything as far-right racism and I understand people's frustration 100%. Two things, I just dislike the selective frustration and outrage that is happening and I hate to see far right thugs weaponising the suffering of others.

In the case of Epsom, there was no solid information to protest to but it didn't stop the stella swilling thugs did it? Didn't stop them looking at hotels, accusing them incorrectly as housing asylum seekers, chanting racist language, blocking cars, getting violent, knocking on doors looking for migrants, making locals feel unsafe.

If people do not wish for others to label these 'protests' as anything than far-right, then perhaps the far-right should stop being racist while protesting and actually have the interests of people at heart. I repeat, it's not about protecting or protesting against harm to women.

I’m sure that happened.

Or maybe people jump to the wrong conclusion based on a load of low level sexual assaults that the police won't even come out for let alone investigate.

People blew the whistle about Stephen Ireland repeatedly for years since 2021 and the police were still supporting him well after this. Link below to Julie Bindel's write up of this scandal.

Pride & Predator: The scandal of Pride in Surrey

"Beneath this umbrella of celebration, Surrey police actually sheltered a predatory child sex abuser – even though the first whistleblowers had come forward with suspicions about Stephen Ireland in 2021."

I really hope that it's true that this woman wasn't gang raped. I hope they've thoroughly investigated and are unbiased in their policing. Do I trust that they will be? No.

Yes Barbie it did.
Wpuld you like me to message you the telephone number of my dentist and the receptionist’s name so you can check?

In terms of the hotels / hostels full of single young men from countries where women and girls don't have rights, I personally think all the people saying how they should be just allowed in with no restrictions whatsoever should go and live in the communities where they're staying. House swapping with those who don't like it.

This would surely be better for the asylum seekers themselves if all the people not enjoying their children being harassed on the streets (or worse) are racist bigots.

I await those who are supporting this madness showing how lovely and wonderful they are by offering to go and live next door to these men and help them settle in. Perhaps work in the hotels without any protection as Rhiannon Whyte did.

In fact, it would be nice perhaps if the children who've been raped and harassed by these men could claim asylum somewhere - that there could be some part of the UK where they might again feel safe. But no-one cares about the girls, seemingly.

This is the same old story.

If there is a massive crowd of people and one person is praying I don't call it a mass prayer.

Time and time again there are peaceful (female-led) protests and later on some drunk thugs come in and cause trouble. This then allows people like yourself to smear everyone as "far-right". There are weekly Gaza protests, which inevitably come with arrests and a lot of anti-Semitism, but are called "peaceful" and "not-hateful".

In many of these areas women are being given rape alarms and there are school patrols to protect women and girls. But again as you say no one cares about protecting women and girls.🙄

Out of 7667 gang rapes recorded in London (2010-2018), 82% were perpetrated by non British nationals.

Where is this figure from please? It's my understanding that there's been a general long term failure to record the nationality or ethnicity of perpetrators but the reporting I have seen says the gangs in London are more racially mixed than those in the northern towns.

Care about the safety of women and girls? You're either racist or transphobic. It's the same story. People would rather protect the so-called "vulnerable" people (who are the perpetrators), rather than the actual victims.

I don't know why a sexual predator, who is either trans or come over on a boat, suddenly a sympathetic character who must be defended. We even see how they are dealt with differently in the justice system.

And I know locally that one migrant staying at one the migrant camps was convicted of sexual assault and outraging public decency, got off with a very light sentence. A British man would've been given a much stronger sentence.

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative,

You have said this more than once. The spokesperson for the protesters is a woman.

The insinuation that they are upset because ‘it doesn’t suit their narrative’ is an unpleasant one.

I saw the terms of the scheme but as there has been growing concern at age fraud suspected in asylum seekers I’m not sure this is as reasonable as you make out.

There have been increasing reports of this happening with a quarter of all claimed child asylum seekers found to be actually adults on examination.

Adults are exploiting our rules.

According to the Home Office statistics, between January 2018 and March 2022 (the most recent figures available), 14,208 people who identified or were identified as unaccompanied children claimed asylum in the UK.
During that period, 4,814 such age dispute cases were resolved. This is where Home Office staff doubt the age of the person claiming to be a child and the claimant doesn’t have reliable documentary evidence to prove their claim.
In total, 2,722 people claiming to be unaccompanied children were actually deemed to be adults—equivalent to 19% of all 14,208 unaccompanied children. (In practice, not all of the age disputes raised or resolved in this period would have been relating to asylum claims made during this period, so the rate is indicative, not precise)

fullfact.org/immigration/child-asylum-seekers-adults/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Home%20Office,evidence%20to%20prove%20their%20claim.&text=However%2C%20The%20Sun's%20figure%20of,reported%20in%20the%20Express%20instead.

You have also continued with this:

In the case of Epsom, there was no solid information to protest to but it didn't stop the stella swilling thugs did it? Didn't stop them looking at hotels, accusing them incorrectly as housing asylum seekers, chanting racist language, blocking cars, getting violent, knocking on doors looking for migrants, making locals feel unsafe.
If people do not wish for others to label these 'protests' as anything than far-right, then perhaps the far-right should stop being racist while protesting and actually have the interests of people at heart. I repeat, it's not about protecting or protesting against harm to women

You are lumping everyone in together and attacking them by the lowest common denominator. That’s what I mean by smearing.

It was an foi response from the Metropolitan police.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/gang_rape_statistics

I don't think that's accurate. The nationality of suspects per that document as far as I can gather is:

British 17.5%
Foreign 7.1%
Not shown 75.4%

I don't think we can draw any conclusions without knowing the breakdown of that huge "not shown" category. I'm not even sure what it means as there is a separate "unknown" category. I also noticed USSR as a nationality on there...

It’s not like it hasn’t happened before.

Vast majority of Epsom wasn't peaceful.
Go look up the chaps who organised it and tell me they are not linked to far right - without lying.

Having a few peaceful protestors among the far right lot doesn't make it peaceful.

What do you mean by the ‘far right lot’ and how did you identify them?

I take it you were there and found out their views on all matters ‘far right’?

Getting some of those "lol you dumbos probably believe grooming gangs are real and not something Yaxley Lennon made up" vibes that were so common a few years ago.

That’s so ridiculous I’m embarassed for you.

The ones that were reported on, going to hotels (normal hotels) thinking they were asylum hotels, looking for immigrants in their own homes, telling people to 'go home' or 'back on the boat they came from', stopping cars, making racist comments, the ones organised by indeed, far right groups. Is that good enough for you?

And all based on misinformation spread online over something it seems didn't happen and didn't happen by asylum seekers or immigrants. I take it you were there then?

You lump in all the protests around the country into one (like Epsom and Epping), and then as soon as it's pointed out you change the goalposts again.

I have no doubt that there were a lot of drunken thugs at Epsom. But to start calling Pink Ladies groups "far-right" because they organise protests?

I know for instance that the "arrests" made outside the Epping hotel included the police stopping cars directly outside the hotel speeding along the long road at 3am and breathalysing the drivers. They did this so that they could claim that arrests were made at the scene (even though it was completely unrelated). And then the police wonder why no one trusts them.