No rape took place outside Epsom church, claim police

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86ezy3qvjno

Either that or the police intimidated the victim into retracting her claims for the sake of quelling the riots.

'they now believe the woman concerned "sustained an accidental head injury" following a night out and made "a confused report".

Being gangraped is hardly the sort of thing a woman would get 'confused' about. This is absolutely outrageous.

And a ton of baseless gossip.

No.

It must be nice to live in areas where this trouble doesn't happen. But for other people it's a daily problem, with authorities refusing to do anything, and then desperately trying to downplay any incident and crackdown on people talking about it.

You can't tackle lies by withholding the truth.

On the contrary, I and I’m sure many others would be very relieved if this genuinely didn’t happen and it was all just a big (but odd) misunderstanding but it doesn’t change all the other rapes and murders perpetrated by recent migrants that have happened.

This is not a ‘narrative’ that’s being highlighted as an issue here, it’s the breakdown in trust in police and government after many many issues over the last few years against a backdrop of uncontrolled numbers of people, mostly men entering our country through various means and some are committing crimes.

Out of 7667 gang rapes recorded in London (2010-2018), 82% were perpetrated by non British nationals. Other European countries with high non EU immigration have reported serious problems with men from a number of non EU countries.

Police forces up and down the country have had to apologise for lying many times. The initial grooming gangs inquiry found that police returned girls to the rape gangs to be raped again and silenced whistleblowers. We still haven’t got to the bottom of the extent of the problems in the 50-80 towns and cities that are involved.

I really hope in this case they are telling the truth, but with an odd story like that, how can we be sure?

All of it actually.

Who generally, and rightly so, go through official channels. You have to jump through hoops to emigrate now, the days of £10 poms are long gone.
There is a massive amount of organised crime from start to finish in this business, a few people are doing very well out of it and it's rarely the individual asylum seeker/ migrant. They mostly get exploited from start to finish.

How women can be more concerned about these men who have come here illegally than our own daughters fills me with horror and shame,
Frankly I don’t give a shit if 99% of these men are ‘kind’. I don’t want to risk any of them coming, How many rapes and murders is too many?

Yes, we have enough problems with homegrown rapists and murderers without importing loads of men from countries that think women aren't deserving of human rights and it's no big deal to rape children.

The problem in Epsom is that trust in the police is clearly at an all time low.

If this really is the police force that drove Stephen Ireland (convicted paedophile) around to schools then you can see why many people wouldn't be convinced they can trust anything this Police force says.

Unfortunately Rotherham et al have done a huge amount to undermine trust in the police. That's on them, no one else.

I have absolutely no idea what happened here, but I completely understand why people are suspicious.

Kent County Council spent £30,000 on driving lessons for asylum seekers.

It’s not necessarily a national scheme but other councils have also done this.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/why-30k-has-been-spent-in-kent-on-driving-lessons-for-asylu-321435/

All asylum seekers are entitled to free full NHS care and even failed asylum seekers not yet deported are entitled to quite a range of free NHS care. This level of free service for non nationals is unique as far as I can understand. The NHS is stretched to breaking point but we continue to load it with more, often high need dependents.

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/ethics/refugees-overseas-visitors-and-vulnerable-migrants/refugee-and-asylum-seeker-patient-health-toolkit/refugees-and-asylum-seekers-entitlement-to-nhs-care

This is dedicated NHS centre and there are many mobile dental and doctor units that attend migrant hotels throughout the UK.

www.wembleyparkgp.nhs.uk/providing-care-for-asylum-seekers/

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/waste-watch-private-healthcare-illegal-100000327.html

Hotels, yes - these people need somewhere to stay whilst their claims are being processed. Would you rather they sleep on the streets instead and we deal with a growing homelessness problem?

This is where some form of off shore processing is needed. As of the end of 2025, 58% of asylum claims fail and we then have to find and deport these people. That is a monumental task hampered by the human rights lawyers who have famously succeeded in preventing the deportation of a number of serious criminals who have gone on to commit more crime.

We have a growing number of asylum claims being made by people who have entered on other visas like student visas as recently highlighted by the BBC.

It's depressing that it's completely believable that a woman had been gang raped, and also completely believable that the police may have fucked up due to incompetence.

I dismiss conspiracy theories on the basis that there aren't enough smart thinkers and efficient organisers anywhere in the country to execute any kind of cover-up.

Do you honestly believe that this case is going to be covered up? As big as it is with the rioting?
OK.

It's not just Rotherham, plenty of instances where they've mucked up and eroded trust and for decades. Quite famous for it in the 70's, the police corruption, the way women are treated, and yet it's only because of Rotherham the trust is gone despite reasons to distrust being there all along.

But people don't seem to talk in earnest about any of that, just the ones involving people with different colour skin and they don't seem to go out and riot over them. The thing with Epsom though is there was no description given out, (presumably the lady couldn't describe them), so people jumped to conclusion and rioted because of it. The way police handle this had changed in recent years, to disclose the nationality of criminals to stop misinformation btw, but it sounds like there was nothing to disclose.

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative, but when you look at it, there was absolutely little to point towards what they presumed it to be in the first place, other than 'gang rape'. Instead of admit they jumped to the wrong conclusions in this instance, people are shouting 'no, it's a cover up'!

East Surrey Chief Superintendent Mark Chapman said: ‘I understand the distress and concern that this incident has caused, both for the victim herself and amongst our local communities, and I want you to reassure you that we are working hard to progress this investigation.

’While we have already carried out extensive enquiries, we do not have sufficient information at this time to update you with the descriptions of the suspects. I appreciate that this causes increased concern, and I can assure you that we will update you with these descriptions as soon as we are able to do so.

’In the meantime, I would urge people not to speculate about the descriptions of these suspects as this may lead to additional tensions within our local communities.'

I'm not an expert in police procedure, but Surrey plod wouldn't have adopted a different media strategy if they actively wanted to look shifty.

I also sometimes wonder if we need a term to describe the opposite of a dogwhistle, when the police and BBC tell us about a crime, but it's incredibly obvious there's something about the perpetrator that they're leaving out.

It took a very long time to be able to even have a conversation about grooming gangs. There were plenty of people, yea even feminists, who were happy to take the authorities' word for it that there was nothing to see here. And then they wonder why trust in institutions like the police and media is so low.

Because no one ever talks about white men (like Jeffrey Epstein and Jimmy Savile) committing sexual offences. 🙄

It didnt "cross the DPPs desk""
Like Mandelsons vetting fiasco didnt "cross the PMs desk"
Are you seeing a pattern here?

You haven’t really understood my post. We don’t know what has happened and the input of the police doesn’t really help.

I didn’t think that things like this would happen either but here we are:

Samantha Walker-Roberts, from Oldham, was abused from the age of eight by men she met through friends, before becoming the victim of grooming gangs when she was 12.
Years later, she set out to find the men who had exploited her.
The now 31-year-old said when she gathered evidence in the streets around where one of her abusers had lived and handed it to Greater Manchester Police (GMP), she was told to "back off" and locals were told not to talk to her.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r0kxykl3ro?app-referrer=deep-link

Your memory wrt rioting is selective. There has been a lot of it in the last few years.
Hare hills? Chap was actually filmed setting fire to a bus.
Birmingham, quite recently about a football match. Also based on dubious information apparently.
I was slightly more surprised to hear about riots in Epsom as opposed to Southall, Croydon, Broadwater farm (farm!!!)..... I imagined they'd be quite genteel in comparison.

Quite famous for it in the 70's, the police corruption, the way women are treated, and yet it's only because of Rotherham the trust is gone despite reasons to distrust being there all along.
But people don't seem to talk in earnest about any of that, just the ones involving people with different colour skin and they don't seem to go out and riot over them.

I don’t know where you have got that idea from - did you miss the whole #metoo movement, the national horror over Saville and many subsequent BBC presenters etc? Maybe you are suffering from confirmation bias in that you only register public outrage if it references a particular group?

‘Rotherham’ as you call it (minimising somewhat the extent of the scandal that encompasses up to 70 towns and cities and tens if not hundreds of thousands of child victims but hey). There is the added factor that the victims were targeted because of their race and the worst part, that somehow the police and judiciary were involved, labelling the girls as slags and whores, threatening their parents trying to stop their daughters being raped and turning a blind eye to known crimes, returning young teenage girls to adult male rapists to be raped again and bullying police whistleblowers into silence.

That surely would be a whole bale of straws to break the camels back?

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative

Why do you keep claiming this?

The public feelings around at the moment are not just a result of Epsom but an accumulation of issues over the years. This isn’t on the ‘racist thugs’ as PP so charmingly describes making their feelings known, this is on the police and government who have made us feel like this.

I’m sure what would make most people happiest is if the government had full control of immigration, we could deport foreign criminals with no hassle and the police were policing ‘without fear or favour’ as they are paid to do. But they don’t and are not.

No it's not just Rotherham, but Rotherham is an extremely shocking and egregious example in very recent memory. Of course this is colouring people's views.

One of the most notable things about Rotherham is the way in which the innocent victims were smeared, blamed and held responsible for what happened to them. Because the police didn't want to face up to the implications for the narrative that they were pushing.

As a woman, this is a scary thought to consider. You can't just wave all this away. Of course it's impacting people's views. Until the police (and government)take responsibility and attempt to address instititional failures, this atmosphere of distrust will not go away.

I think PP is exaggerating somewhat - it was a peaceful protest in Epsom where the police turned out in full riot gear. It sounds like there was a bit of bad behaviour but even the BBC called it a protest.

Okay and I know about 100 women who have actually been sexually assaulted. Since we're using personal anecdotes to justify rape apologism

where the hell is the moderation team. how are posts like this still up

Make no mistake, the riots outside Epsom, Epping isn't about protecting women. I wish it was.

The conspiracy theorists are the ones accusing the woman of lying imo.

a) there were no ‘riots’.
b) this is what the protestors said:

Prior to this, the live stream showed a woman who was representing the protesters as she read out a statement.
She said it was not about "apportioning blame or fuelling anger, but about establishing the truth".
She said "it feels as though key details are missing", adding residents felt "scared and unsafe".

Why are you intent on smearing women like her as some sort of racist agitators? Why can’t you just accept that some violent men are abusing the system to enter our country, committing crimes and we are not happy about being less safe? *

*for the reporters, no I am not saying that all men entering this country are violent or criminal, but some are. Some have already committed crimes that they wouldn’t have committed if they weren’t here. Some people are dead or have had their lives changed forever because of this and it is reasonable to want the authorities to do more to prevent this happening.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce84klg2lyeo?app-referrer=deep-link