No rape took place outside Epsom church, claim police

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86ezy3qvjno

Either that or the police intimidated the victim into retracting her claims for the sake of quelling the riots.

'they now believe the woman concerned "sustained an accidental head injury" following a night out and made "a confused report".

Being gangraped is hardly the sort of thing a woman would get 'confused' about. This is absolutely outrageous.

Can you provide some evidence of all this and the names of the organisers please?

And all based on misinformation spread online

Again, it wasn’t ’misinformation spread online’, it was an apparently genuine report of a very serious crime and we are still none the wiser on what actually happened.

We have various accounts of what ‘didn’t’ happen but nothing to explain what did.

I take it you were there then?

Why are you asking if I was there - you are the one making claims about the political views and motivations of all the protestors.

Well, that extremely honest man Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC says all this stuff boils down to "far right thugs" and "misinformation", and no doubt that's good enough for lots of people.

I'm a bit more cynical, because I'm well acquainted with how the extremism and counter-extremism industry in this country works. The demand for the "far right" vastly outstrips the supply, so there's a well worn bit of kabuki theatre where Tommy-adjacent lads (heavily infiltrated by state assets) congregate in a town, and the Socialist Workers Party (also heavily infiltrated by state assets) go to the same town, both "sides" give it some aggro, and everyone goes home.

This then justifies the idea that there's some kind of serious far-right threat to community cohesion, which justifies (for example) the National Lottery giving a million quid to Hope Not Hate - which they just did.

It's all a bit of a racket.

The Pink Ladies and similar hotel protests really do scare the powers that be, because these are mostly spontaneous protests, locally organised, normies are joining them, and they really are motivated by sexual assaults that are really happening.

This means there's a problem, and the government and police aren't really set up to deal with that problem. They're much more comfortable setting Tommy and the SWP into action for another round of kabuki theatre.

I don't think this is sustainable.

I know for instance that the "arrests" made outside the Epping hotel included the police stopping cars directly outside the hotel speeding along the long road at 3am and breathalysing the drivers. They did this so that they could claim that arrests were made at the scene (even though it was completely unrelated). And then the police wonder why no one trusts them.

Omg - that is a whole new level of dishonesty and manipulation!!

Certainly, police handling of the protest in Epsom sounded unusually heavy handed. Where, in other situations where there has been even larger scale public disorder and actual looting etc (the incident with young people marauding in London), they are all about the ‘de-escalation’ and very hands off, in Epsom they turned up in full riot gear and inflamed the situation further.

This article looks at the contrast in policing between differing groups.

https://spectator.com/article/epsom-betrays-the-truth-about-britains-politicised-police-force/

You’re comparing two different times dear,

There is a bloke who, in my opinion, is a massive grifter - soliciting donations ‘for his work’ etc; he’s been all over this in a rather worrying way, I’d say inflammatory. He posts as JAOC and purports to be an ‘investigator’. Very worrying when external agitators get involved to the extent he has

I’m not sure why you are taking that tone - it is reportedly still very much current.

Even though some of her perpetrators were convicted of rape and trafficking, Penny said "hundreds of men" who abused her remain free to do what they want.
"There are lots and lots of men who were involved with us who have never been brought to justice. I imagine that if they had those sexual tendencies then, they'll still have those tendencies now and they'll find a way to fulfil those tendencies," she said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvxr7wv74mo?app-referrer=deep-link

From another article

18 February 2026
Warning: Contains desciptions of sexual abuse
Vulnerable women and girls as young as 14 are being lured into a world of forced sex by gangs in London, evidence uncovered by the BBC has found.
Some told us they had been raped by several men as "payment" for unpaid drug debts run up by the gangs that controlled them, while others said they had been groomed just for sex.
Our evidence - based on interviews with dozens of people in the capital over several weeks, including five survivors of gang-based violence - also shows how girls are often lured by groups of men into dealing drugs, trading weapons and stealing phones.
One police officer in London said young girls and women were the "lowest rung" in gangs and were groomed and exploited "for everything".
Public attention on grooming gangs has often centred on the north of England. A government-commissioned report last yearfound in three regions - Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire - there was enough evidence to show "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation".
….
Milly, not her real name, told the BBC her experience of grooming gangs in London did not involve selling drugs and mirrored what had happened in towns and cities such as Rotherham, Rochdale and Oldham.
They just give us drink, give us drugs. Next thing I know, I'd just be in the bedroom with one of them. Then I'd come out. Could be another one. After that it could be another one. Sometimes it was only one. Sometimes it could be three. And then we'd just leave really."
She said, even though it had happened a few years ago, she couldn't recall many of the details because she had been so intoxicated at the time.
"I don't remember their names really. It sounds horrible, but I just know they were [South] Asian.
Sometimes they just said, 'Oh, you're a nice, young white girl'."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd9xnjyy8po?app-referrer=deep-link

What are your specific concerns about this guy?

I assume you are not implying that anyone with an interest in this topic is a grifter and agitator by default?

He’s not from the area. He talked in a v patriarchal way about how if the victims PARENTS got in touch he would help. He has sent a massive document to the cops and loads of others (last week) which I have seen, full of assumptions and demands to the cops to release all the cctv to him. I could go on.

I think a woman in her 20s likely to make her own decisions, not need her parents (eg dad) to take over. That pissed me off the most.

huh?

My take is that she fell over drunk after leaving the club and came round in the churchyard concussed and thought she might have been raped. I have a friend who was raped twice - first she got into a car drunk with 4 men and they raped her and threw her out on the road and the 2nd time, the barman took her home when she was pissed and raped her. He got prosecuted too. I did say, try not to get so pissed and take a taxi home but no doubt will be slagged off. Ooooh, it's our right to get pissed and not take any precautions.

you're a horrible 'friend'

On both occasions, the rapists were orosecuted so the police did their jobs.

Sorry I was expanding on my post immediately below that one x

I am a horrible friend for saying don't take uneccessary risks. How about if your friend is about to go off to Iran and you say, not a good idea.

My mum was a horrible abusive parent because she said never get into a car with a strange man. Wow! Should have been done for child abuse!

Because we are intelligent enough to understand that both things can be true?

Let us not forget that one of their own (I won't mention his name as he is so vile) was tracked down and caught and prosecuted for the murder of Sarah Everard. The police have moved on a lot since 15, 20 or 30 years ago.

because you are retroactively blaming your 'mate' for being raped by saying she shouldn't have taken the risk, dipshit

I am not blaming her for putting her life in danger. I would willingly put my life in danger every day of the week. I would go to Iran tomorrow to prove my life is not in danger just to put two fingers up at em. I'd also walk nude through a dark alley in a dodgy area of London. Fuck em. I'd walk around London with my bag unzipped and have my phone out on the street everywhere. Fuck em. I'll walk around with my Rolex watch. Fuck em. They're not gonna defeat me.

Possibly. With his history he should never have been given the warrant card he used to abduct Sarah. We hope lessons have been learned, though the treatment of women at Sarah's vigil was a little heavy handed.
https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/inquiry-finds-major-police-failings-to-stop-known-perpetrator-wayne-couzens/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60707646

I was once walking home on my own in a foreign country on an unlit country road and a carful of 4 blokes pulled up and asked me to get inside. My instincts took over and I ran off and hid in a maize field at the side of the road. One of them got out and briefly searched but they decided it wasn't worth the trouble and gave up. Lucky the maize plants were high and gave good cover. Yet, according to various posters on here, I should have just got in that car and not expected anything to happen. They would have raped me and dumped me on the road somewhere and would have gotten away with it as it was back in the day.

So very true. They really think people are stupid. We're not.

Anyone who posts in this way is always misogynistic to their core and doesn't give a shit about girls being raped. If the only way someone's not 'right wing' is by not caring about child rape / paedophilia then I guess I'm 'right wing'.

Even if in this case the alleged rape didn't happen, that still doesn't balance out the vastly greater number of rapes - including of children - that happen and the perpetrators get away with it.

And because of that, it's not surprising if some people are feeling a bit angry when the very police force that sheltered a paedophile rapist seems to be a bit cagey about giving out information.

The police could have handled this so much better than they did.

Yaxley Lennon doesn't give a flying fu* about rapists. But when you get to the other side of the coin, neither do The Guardian and other liberal outfits. They simply have an agenda.

Exactly