Demonstration against Let Women Speak Oxford

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A demonstration organised by the campaign group Let Women Speak (LWS) took place today at Bonn Square. Around 100 counterprotestors also assembled, including members from the Oxford Green Party, Stand Up to Racism, and Oxford for Trans Rights (O4TR).
https://www.cherwell.org/2025/10/18/oxford-trans-counterprotest-women/

Event was https://www.letwomenspeak.org/event-details/let-women-speak-oxford-2

It's fucking exhausting

Good spot - you're quite right, Hitler was indeed a committed vegetarian.

Perhaps you should reconsider your position if it means that you have to voice support a mob of 100 people, mostly men, repeatedly shouting down lone women trying to express their opinions?

Maybe grown-up protesters could have only shouted down KJK and respectfully listened to the other women? I guess that option evaded them in their frenzy of self-righteousness

The one who summarily sacked his (free) advisor on violence against women because she stands up for women.

Nice chap. 🙄

I would imagine that in different circumstances, Kellie Jay and Ramzy might have had a calmer conversation. The fact that he decided to joined a raging mob of men trying to shut down her event and similar mobs have literally come very close to killing her as well as constantly threatening her life and family members, we can see why it might not have been the most measured and productive conversation.

The people on this thread constantly lying and smearing her are as bad as the mob of men trying to intimidate and silence ordinary women telling their stories. Their selective inhumanity is mind boggling.

"Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race or ethnicity over another.[1][2][3] It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different ethnic background.[2]"

We get complexity doesn't come natural to GC's so here, go & learn something:

https://www.newarab.com/opinion/ethnicity-vs-religion-what-does-being-muslim-mean

No

Ohhhhh, facts hurt your fee feez?

No

Quite henestly I don't know why he was there. Presumably he turns up at any demo to give out Korans and literature.
Can't see why KJK needs to humour him.

@Howseitgoin I'm struggling to get my head around the idea that Indonesian muslims share any ethnic characteristics with Nigerian Muslims.

Of course there are religions that are also ethnicities, and UK law recognises that. Sikhism is one. Judaism is another.

(I think the same thing might apply to other ethnically based and highly endogamous religious communities like Nestorians, Zoroastrians and Armenian Apostolic Christians, but that's a guess based on case law around Sikh and Jewish cases.)

That doesn't apply to explicitly universalist religions like Islam or Catholicism or Anglicanism.

But it's quite funny to be having that conversation in a week when Birmingham has decided that Jews can't watch football there, and this is very largely down to the emergence of Muslim sectarian politics as a powerful factor in Birmingham.

Who argues there is a binary opposition between gender and sex, though? I don’t understand what you mean or what the argument would be. A binary opposite is related concepts that are opposite in meaning - on-off; light-dark and so on. So we talk about the opposite sex to mean the sex different from ourselves.
Gender and sex are different categories. Female (sex, biological) is not the same as feminine (gender, socially constructed) and male (sex, biological) is not the same as masculine (gender, socially constructed). But I have never heard anyone argue that sex and gender are binary opposites, just that one is biological and the other is socially constructed, in fact, I would probably say that socially constructed gender stereotypes have their roots in historical understandings of being female or male so they are relational (whether you agree with them or not) rather than opposites.

Read the link up thread from New Arab then.

You don't bore me, and it wouldn't matter if you did, because you have a right to your views, and we have a right to snigger and/or ignore you. You've made a good argument and I don't mean that in a patronising way but as a stark contrast to a poster who appears to lecture at Oxford and has decided to give us a lecture too!

Who are 'we' please? And how do you decide that complexity doesn't come naturally to anyone?

On second thoughts, maybe we are simple people. We believe that a DNA test shows biological sex while 'gender' is based on unprovable beliefs. We also believe that we have a right to single sex toilets and changing areas and to our beliefs. That's why we don't need to complicate things or threaten other people.

"And how do you decide that complexity doesn't come naturally to anyone?"

By the pattern in reasoning. The reduction of a human to body parts or chromosomes without taking into account the sophistication of the human brain & its impact on society means we aren't exactly dealing with multi faceted thinking…

I'm eager and willing to be educated by my self-appointed better, so please can you explain how the human brain impacts on society and how the sophistication of the human brain overrides DNA?

What I'm seeing is that a small group of people have stealthily removed rights from another group who were also protected by the Equality Act and who have now had those rights confirmed by the Supreme Court. Is that what you meant by the human brain impacting on society?

Yeah mate. But still men will never be women and aren’t allowed in female spaces. Shame innit. Those pesky women staying no.

Im referring to YL's followers (and himself) at his protest event in London. I'm not referring to a lone old lady with a flag. I also said in my original post "it seems" implying that if that's the case it isn't very useful for other supporters of women's rights to be associated, however loosely with people perceived as far right. I clearly referenced kjk's appearance at his event in London, which is well documented.
If you don't think YL is far right that's up to you. And if you think he or his followers are genuinely supportive of women's rights and not jumping on a discriminatory bandwagon - as they see it - then that's also up to you.

"I'm eager and willing to be educated by my self-appointed better, so please can you explain how the human brain impacts on society and how the sophistication of the human brain overrides DNA?"

How does one begin to explain the concept that it's just not the body but also the mind that evolved for the purposes of facilitating reproduction when the world view of gender criticals depends on that it doesn't?

An ideology that believes gendered behaviours are purely the result of patriarchal influences & not survival mechanisms can't process how our gendered actions influence societal sex categorisations let alone the biological variation that makes a minority exceptions to the rule.

"What I'm seeing is that a small group of people have stealthily removed rights from another group who were also protected by the Equality Act and who have now had those rights confirmed by the Supreme Court. Is that what you meant by the human brain impacting on society?"

Of course that's all you can 'see'….

Thankyou for this info. Of course it doesn’t change the fact men cannot be women and aren’t allowed not allowed in female spaces. This may make them sad. Might I suggest they “reframe their trauma”. I hear that’s a good solution.

Sorry I read that twice and it still makes absolutely no sense. And “gender critical” are not a movement they are the majority who are realists. It’s why we don’t have “round earthers”

How does one begin to explain the concept that it's just not the body but also the mind that evolved for the purposes of facilitating reproduction when the world view of gender criticals depends on that it doesn't?

So if a man thinks hard enough, he can get pregnant? That's what your bullshit boils down to.

As for Islam being a race, are you really claiming that Bosnians are the same race as Senegalese Muslims? Again, if you claim that Islam is a race, that's what it boils down to.

"So if a man thinks hard enough, he can get pregnant? That's what your bullshit boils down to."

I rest my case…

"As for Islam being a race, are you really claiming that Bosnians are the same race as Senegalese Muslims? Again, if you claim that Islam is a race, that's what it boils down to."

Err, I never said they were a race. Might be time to step away from the Prosecco…

You said, in the post I was responding to:

Not sure what confuses you. She attended, very publicly, Yaxley Lennons march in London with a union jack around her shoulders. Now the flag shaggers are attending her LWS events.

So because KJ went to a march on immigration attended by many people and was in the same location as TR (possibly for security reasons as the trans activist lunatics actively threaten her life) for a while, you have now deemed all attendees (presumably including KJ) as ‘flag shaggers’ to be shunned at all possible opportunity.

You then decide, with no apparent evidence that these so called ‘flag shaggers’ went to LWS and start smearing KJ on that basis.

You didn’t say ‘it seems’ here, you just made a direct accusation.

That’s rather a desperate reach isn’t it?

Do you also have an issue with her wearing the Union flag around her shoulders?

If you don't think YL is far right that's up to you. And if you think he or his followers are genuinely supportive of women's rights and not jumping on a discriminatory bandwagon - as they see it - then that's also up to you.

You started talking about ‘flag shaggers’ being at LWS. You have provided no evidence that any such man (whatever ‘flag shaggers’ means to you) was actually there. You are now making up stuff I haven’t said about TR and ‘his followers’ - I haven’t even mentioned him. It all just looks like a desperate attempt to justify your dislike of KJK. You are entitled not to like her as I am entitled to think the opposite. But your dishonesty undermines your argument.

Such sweeping and tenuous attempts to show ‘guilt by association’ are obvious.