Demonstration against Let Women Speak Oxford

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A demonstration organised by the campaign group Let Women Speak (LWS) took place today at Bonn Square. Around 100 counterprotestors also assembled, including members from the Oxford Green Party, Stand Up to Racism, and Oxford for Trans Rights (O4TR).
https://www.cherwell.org/2025/10/18/oxford-trans-counterprotest-women/

Event was https://www.letwomenspeak.org/event-details/let-women-speak-oxford-2

There have been Union flags with 'TERF ISLAND' on for years. It's nothing to do with the recent flag movement.

I'm pretty sure that the LWS attendees would prefer not to have a load of other people showing up and drowning them out.

Has everyone forgotten how well these alignment accusations go for the accusers?!

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-16/john-pesutto-defamation-case-settled-anti-trans-rights-protest/103858502

Our 'efforts' are cold comfort to victims who continue to suffer increasing, not decreasing abuse.

And it does does not follow that culture is wholly or even partially transferable particularly after generational assimilation unless you are of the false belief that behaviour is inherent to ethnicity. Immigrant groups importing illiberal behaviours isn't exclusive to Muslims. Italians, Irish, Asians etc first generations aren't exactly known for being crime free or sans misogyny nor are the English guilt free in their brutal colonial endeavours. Are you suggesting they too are irredeemable?

"KJK is not anti-muslim, she's trying to bring attention to how this religion disrespects women, she's trying to be a voice of protest for the women who can't speak up for themselves, protesting about misogynistic cultural practices is not anti anything it's pro women."

Blaming the religion for its exploitative bad apples is like blaming the free market for its crony capitalists & then wanting to ban it. See where this logic goes? That you assume practising muslims are all misogynistic is as good as blaming every business person as a crook. If you at all believed in Western principles of which includes individualism, you would understand that.

I strongly suspect KJK's professed particular concern about muslim abuse (& interestingly disinterested in where the overwhelming abuse in the UK emanates from) is directly associated to white supremacy. Fascists are known to coopt causes to gain inroads via fear mongering about 'degenerate' scape goats (gays/trans/blacks/muslims/jews etc).

It's getting increasingly difficult to defend the accusations that KJK is aligned with the far-right when Tommy Robinson is posting videos of the two of them in a restaurant together.

Fundamental religions all tend to have problematic doctrines. I don’t think we should be shying away from pointing out that fundamental Islam treats women and girls as second class citizens, and that is an issue in some places in the UK.

I still don't agree that LWS events are intrinsically far right events, regardless of KJK's alignments. They are pro-women events.

There is a baying mob in the footage, it is not the LWS women.

Blaming the religion for its exploitative bad apples is like blaming the free market for its crony capitalists & then wanting to ban it.

meh. I blame all Catholic priests etc who covered up the abuse scandals - and the fact that their religion is intrinsically anti women by not placing them equally with men within religion and society
i blame all the CofE priests etc who covered up the abuse scandals
and i blame all the muslim heirarchy for covering up abuse - and the fact that their religion is intrinsically anti women by not placing them equally with men within religion and society
i am not sufficiently up on other religions to have comments: but insofar as i know that women aren't equal, i blame them

Within a muslim country? they can do whatever they like, and i will feel free to protest outside that country when it harms women. In my own country i will free to protest and criticise anything AT ALL including but not restricted to the misogyny of religion. Whichever one it is.

So women can't criticise other countries or cultures for their horrific treatment of women, because men here aren't perfect? Is that right? So women have to pay the price for male behaviour, how very feminist of you.

I don’t think KJK is doing what she does to be liked. She will admit she will speak to anyone who will listen. I’d imagine she will peeve some off because they are concerned about the optics. But then again, I don’t think she is too bothered. If your aim is to let women speak and to support single sex spaces etc for all women (no matter what their political persuasions), then that is what she’s doing. Love her or hate her she is her own person who has had to put up with some real horrendous stuff from activists, and hasn’t cowered away, when many understandably would.

Do you think that The Green Party and Stand Up to Racism should have been demonstrating against Let Women Speak? And btw, how can you stop someone turning up to a demonstration in a country that has freedom of speech and movement?

No I don't. And i don't think you can. Hence standing up for KJK and LWS throughout this thread.

ETA: however, if you think
that people should have the right to protest, which I do, then it's obviously their right to. Even if I think that protesting against LWS is misogynistic, sexist behaviour.

Can you define 'baying mob', please?

Clearly the ring-wing thugs have learnt that all you need to do is put on some lippy and you be instantly recognised as a women. Those sneaky bastards. 😂

I strongly suspect KJK's professed particular concern about muslim abuse (& interestingly disinterested in where the overwhelming abuse in the UK emanates from) is directly associated to white supremacy.

Rubbish, I don't know what your basing your strong suspicions on but
they're clearly unfounded. Maybe you should formed opinions from facts not suspicions from imaginations.

I think that if you were a woman who had summoned enough courage to try to articulate yourself at the LWS event, you would consider the crowd of people being held back by police on the other side of the road to be a 'baying mob'.

But perhaps you are right. A lot the the chanting sounds seems to be to the tune of children's nursery rhymes, very similar to the sort of bullying you might hear from a poorly parented primary school child.

So maybe 'infantile bullying mob' would be a better description

It does nothing for feminism to join up with the hooligan mob.

KJK doesn’t describe herself as a feminist.

The point you are spectacularly missing is, it's not the vehicle, it's the individual driving it not to mention whether there are any road rules.

Misogynistic men tend exploit any system if they can get away with it. Same with criminals AND fascists.

The facts are she's only 'coincidentally' interested in male violence from one ethnicity….

I voted for Max Morris and they are fab❤

Their work to lessen the stigma around HIV has been particularly impressive.

As a woman and a feminist, I would rather have Max representing me than KJK any day. Shame on her for cosying up to Tommy Robinson and his racist crew.

May I ask you to educate me by providing proof that she's done that? And I apologise if I am the wrong sort of feminist but I don't think that anyone who tries to stop a woman from speaking is fab. They may have done good work on other issues but they are still trying to stop women speaking.

I'd rather support KJK defending my rights as a woman to have my voice heard than a man who tries to silence it.
Both our judgements are subjective, on many things we might agree, but not on this. Isn't democracy marvellous?

Also, I'd prefer a 'Green' party that focussed on acute and chronic environmental issues than the distraction of identity politics.

HIV stigma being a key issue raised on the doorsteps in suburban Oxfordshire.

You're not very familiar with east Oxford, are you?

sparked support for her LWS by right wing "keep Britain white" types.

Have you got any evidence for this sweeping generalisation about a group of men you don’t know? Or are you just trying to smear KJK and women’s rights supporters?