Demonstration against Let Women Speak Oxford

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A demonstration organised by the campaign group Let Women Speak (LWS) took place today at Bonn Square. Around 100 counterprotestors also assembled, including members from the Oxford Green Party, Stand Up to Racism, and Oxford for Trans Rights (O4TR).
https://www.cherwell.org/2025/10/18/oxford-trans-counterprotest-women/

Event was https://www.letwomenspeak.org/event-details/let-women-speak-oxford-2

Well I don't need to do anything re Dr Ramzy, because he's not a fundamentalist, full stop.

Great, 1 down 1 billion to go. 👍

I think that the PP missed my point entirely.

It seems pretty low hanging fruit for 100 people to shout and scream drowning out a single woman's voice.

LWS could 'fight back' by trundling around a tower of speakers to drown out the protestors at their events but what's the point? Every body just ends up shouting and nobody listens to anything.

The one who shouts the loudest wins, is not what free speech is about.

The optics of a bunch of blokes (yes, and some women) yelling childish slogans across a road at a single woman who might have finally summoned the courage to express a childhood trauma, is not great.

I'm sure all the protestors went home congratulating themselves on a job well done, being on the right side of history and how well they had shown the bigots who's boss. High-fives all round

Not at all but calling people anti-trans etc is insulting and juvenile. I, and many other Mumsnetters have no problem with transgender people following their beliefs about their gender providing that they obey the law that now says clearly that women have rights to separate spaces and don't expect me to believe it too..

We are not objects to be used to validate someone's gender identity, whatever that may or may not be. We have opinions and beliefs and rights. I was going to finish 'sorry if that upsets you' but that would be lying.

because you exclude trans women from the category of women, right?

In the same way that sticklebacks are excluded from the category of fungi.

This statement makes me embarrassed for you.

Tell me you don't have any Muslim friends or colleagues without telling me you don't have any Muslim friends or colleagues.

You do know for instance that if your DC happens to apply to Oxford Uni, they are likely to encounter at least some of the very normal Muslim people involved in uni admissions across all the colleges.

Really, there is no place for anti-Muslim prejudice in modern Britain.

Hello!

Perhaps you didn't see my questions to you about the organisers of the counter-protest. Perhaps you need time to think about whether they are good representatives of your cause.

Who assumed that he was anti-woman because he was holding a copy of the Koran, and because he was part of the counter-protest group (ie didn't agree with HER).

She understandably assumed he was against women as he was part of a group protesting her event and stopping women from speaking.

Nothing I see about KJK makes me think she's genuinely interested in listening or debate. She's a provocateur.

Why should she listen to men protesting her event? Why should she listen to women like you who have invested quite a lot of time lying and attempting to smear her and arguing against her events to Let Women Speak.

You are free to hold your opinions but you are not relevant. You are working against women’s rights and the interests of the very women KJK is trying to help. Your luxury beliefs translate into real life harm for vulnerable women. One day maybe you will understand.

Well, that was a waste of a perfectly good scold. 😂

A man, Muslim or not, turning up to protest an event to join other men in drowning out ordinary women trying to speak deserves to be called an asshole.

It’s quite ridiculous that you would suggest otherwise.

Feminism isn’t a monolith, correct. I agree with you. It categorically doesn’t centre men which is that you seem to think.

That kind of lie cost John Pesutto a lot of money and required a humiliating public apology. Any Neo Nazis that turned up at her event were there to protest against her with the full approval of the police. In fact, one of the NNs was son of a police officer.

John Pesutto’s statement.

I have never believed or intended to assert that Kellie-Jay Keen and Angela Jones are Neo-Nazis. It is also now clear from public statements made by Ms Keen and Ms Jones that they share my belief that Nazism is odious and contemptible.
People engaged in robust public debate do not always have the ability to express themselves perfectly. This is one reason that we should give those we may disagree with some benefit of the doubt.
I recognise that there have been times when my comments could have more clearly differentiated between the organisers of the 18 March 2023 Let Women Speak Rally and the Neo-Nazis who attended the steps of Parliament House on that day.
It has never been my intention to convey that I believed Ms Keen and Ms Jones to be Neo-Nazis, or that they were members of Neo-Nazi groups. As far as my comments may have been misunderstood as conveying that I believed this to be the case, I apologise for any hurt, distress or harm that has occurred.

My views of KJK are derived from statements she has made herself and from the content of her own twitter feed.

So I’m not worried in the slightest about accusations of untruth or libel.

I think the only embarrassment here is the posters turning up on a Feminism and Women's Rights thread to tell us that their lovely male friends (one's a DOCTOR you know and one works for the UNIVERSITY) are lovely and it's the mean women saying Naughty Words who should be scolded. Not My Nigel meets Hyacinth Bouquet.

Death threats and a forced public apology with police involvement for a boy present when a Koran was slightly damaged. He didn’t do any damage, he was just there. Not very proportionate eh?

A teacher in Batley forced to go into hiding (and still is afaik) for showing a caricature of Mohammed.

If these things didn’t happen we couldn’t criticise them.

https://www.newstatesman.com/the-weekend-report/2023/03/inside-wakefield-koran-incident

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68659435?app-referrer=deep-link

I looked at the footage, there was an older lady with a flag.

Are you now smearing every man at an LWS as a ‘flag shagger’

I’ll ask my question again as you haven’t answered it

Have you got any evidence for this sweeping generalisation about a group of men you don’t know? Or are you just trying to smear KJK and women’s rights supporters?

Omg she is even a fan of Trump. The mind boggles.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, it meshes nicely with all her other views.

https://x.com/ThePosieParker/status/1975812947822989477

Do you mean the mayor of London who believes women don’t deserve rights? That mayor?

Any chance of you answering my questions about the counter-protest being organised by rape defenders?

Or should we agree to turn a blind eye because, hey, at least they're left wing rape defenders?

I only ask because guilt by association only seems to go one way.

How is it racism? Islam isn’t a Race. It’s a religion.

As someone who is also cool and multicultural enough to have ‘chatted to Dr Ramzy outside Tesco on Cowley Road’ and was once part of the same activist circles as @cowleycyclist clearly is, I actually think it says a lot about the environment around gender debates that KJK and Dr Ramzy did have such an antagonistic interaction as both of them make a huge point of their I-talk-to-anyone stance. He’s no fundamentalist and is mostly a very active and committed force for good, though has said some things I doubt the gender ideologues would be happy with (here’s one online example - gayness not a ‘great sin’ but gay marriage a step too far - https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/opinion/columns/10517473.faithfully-gay-not-sin-eyes-islam/). He shows up to every protest so I doubt he’s particularly informed about this particular topic tbh. As has been pointed out the counter protestors don’t seem to mind being heavily SWP rape-apologist branded so maybe they do tolerate more diversity of thought than it sometimes appears. As long as it’s men.

I wouldn’t go to a LWS rally these days, the organisers have become far too entrenched in far right circles and discussions, sadly. Doesn’t make the ‘counter protestors‘ look any better, or absolve the privileged navel gazing Green party ‘non binary’ councillors and their supporters of passing motions that attempt to remove single sex spaces and services in Oxford (like homeless shelters, rape support, etc). ETAH as they say on reddit.

She still hasn’tt answered my questions about what Sheikh Ramzy is doing to help combat the Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs in Oxford.

Just keeps repeating the same false accusations and smears. I guess that’s all that’s left.

So I assume he’s very vocal in his condemnation of Iran, Iraq, Palestine and Saudi Arabia? I mean, if he supports gay rights, he’ll be speaking out very clearly against those countries I presume?

Well according to Howse, it's an ethnicity. Yep, 2 billion people, one quarter of the world's population is one single ethnic group 🙄

Awww bless him. I’m sure he’s trying his best.

I'm sure I bore people by mentioning the SWP, but they're heavily embedded in these activist circles, and people who turn up to scold us about being "adjacent" to bad people always go very quiet when they're mentioned. It's as if there's a tacit agreement not to hold that rape stuff against them.

And what came out in the Martin Smith scandal was only the tip of the iceberg.

I'll allow that a random person who sees a "rally against Tommy Robinson" poster might not know who they are, but the union officials who fund their campaigns do, and so do the Labour MPs who speak on their platforms, and so do the dimwit celebrities who sign their open letters.

You misrepresented the only ‘evidence’ you have produced so far so I’m going to take your ‘justification’ with a pinch of salt.

It wouldn’t be us you need to convince that you are not committing libel, it would be the lawyers. You seem to have a habit of misrepresenting many things so I wouldn’t be too sure.