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Demonstration against Let Women Speak Oxford

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IwantToRetire · 19/10/2025 03:04

A demonstration organised by the campaign group Let Women Speak (LWS) took place today at Bonn Square. Around 100 counterprotestors also assembled, including members from the Oxford Green Party, Stand Up to Racism, and Oxford for Trans Rights (O4TR).
https://www.cherwell.org/2025/10/18/oxford-trans-counterprotest-women/

Event was https://www.letwomenspeak.org/event-details/let-women-speak-oxford-2

Counterprotesters turn out for trans-exclusionary feminism event - Cherwell

A demonstration organised by the campaign group Let Women Speak (LWS) is taking place at Bonn Square.

https://www.cherwell.org/2025/10/18/oxford-trans-counterprotest-women/

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Slothtoes · 20/10/2025 12:42

OK then, let’s not dispute this one incident, but if it is ever the case that KJK is palling up with Tommy Robinson/Yaxley (accepting that maybe she isn’t but she just really cares about free speech..?) but if she did publicly support him:
Then that is not about ‘unacceptable behaviour on a different topic’. It’s awful because it’s unacceptable behaviour on her very own personal topic of letting women speak. The topic women that women desperately need to talk about together without fear of men shutting them up.

If she were to nail her own colours to an intimidating and potentially violent movement which Robinson/Y-L is all about, then that fucks it at LAWS for a lot of women who would otherwise be interested.
And none of this would matter if anyone centrist or leftist were leading a LAWS equivalent. That is inclusive for all women. But I haven’t seen that being offered. So we do need KJK to continue to provide something that is accessible for all women. This isn’t just about KJK it’s about the context she is working in. Which was why she set up LAWS in the first place.

BundleBoogie · 20/10/2025 13:01

ILikeDungs · 20/10/2025 12:38

Then they bring out the false accusations about ‘flag shaggers’. A disgustingly derogatory term if ever I heard one. But perfectly acceptable in the minds of various PPs.

I was there and took some photos. Looking back at them, there were several traditionally coloured Union Jacks with Terf Island on the horizontal stripe. There was one or possibly two in the suffragette colours with no text. To me these both are saying: British Women Standing Up For Their Rights.

That sounds good - I hope you had a good time despite the men trying to silence you and now the (I’m assuming) women trying to smear and discredit the event.

How many speakers were there?

An earlier post on this thread made me laugh a lot - PP said something like ‘far right wing thug cunningly disguised as a 70 year old lady with a Terf Island flag’.

Imagine how powerful women would be if there weren’t so many women trying to tear others down.

JanesLittleGirl · 20/10/2025 13:09

Howseitgoin · 20/10/2025 01:14

Read the link up thread from New Arab then.

Did you actually read Khaled Diab's article or did you just latch onto the title?

Niminy · 20/10/2025 13:28

SionnachRuadh · 20/10/2025 11:11

Kath is spot on there. But it's not just ideological conformism on the far left. There are a lot of status games involved too, ironically for a group of people who say they want to abolish social class.

There are certain key status markers - an academic job, a seat on the executive of a white collar union, a wee column in the New Statesman, appearances on Radio 4 - and if you don't have one of those you're not worth listening to.

And it's very important to remember that, for this milieu of left wing GC feminists, they are ideologically and socially extremely close to the TRAs. Some have lost work and friendships on a point of principle, and I admire them for that, but ultimately what hurts them is that they've been exiled from their social circle, they'd really like to get back into their social circle, and they'd be happy if they just had permission to dissent on this one thing which is the only thing they really disagree on.

I mentioned the SWP upthread. As it happens, they take a TWAW stance. But what if they didn't? What if Dr Camilla Royle of the SWP Central Committee wanted to attend one of these conferences to discuss her banal views on Engels? Would they roll out the red carpet for her? You bet they would. Because Camilla is an academic who has credentials to talk theory. She isn't some low status woman worried about nonces in toilets.

The real problem with KJK is that she is low status. Actually, more accurately, she is low status and she doesn't care. She's not interested in anyone else's purity spirals, or, indeed in being pure herself.

ILikeDungs · 20/10/2025 13:45

How many speakers were there?

I arrived about ten minutes late so it had already started. It was surprising how many women were courageous enough to step forward to speak, considering the very large loud obnoxious crowd only feet away from our group. Maybe eight to ten women spoke? Two men as well, both basically saying "of course you are right, thank you for showing me I am not alone"

Imagine how powerful women would be if there weren’t so many women trying to tear others down.

The TRA side wore black hats and face masks, many dressed all in black with signs like 'Terfs off our Turf' and loudly singing "there's more of us than you" and other put downs while gesticulating wildly. Some made noise with pots and wooden spoons, there was at least one loudhailer, and very oddly an Imam arrived and appeared to play the conductor to the chanting crowd.

On the LWS side the women were dressed as they might dress any day, faces on show for anyone to see (imagine!) holding up signs saying 'free speech for women' and flags with the dictionary definition of women, and this small circle of women offered sympathy and understanding to the women who spoke. One speaker was in tears describing her story. She was supported by the others with many hugs and well-wishes. Who are the baddies here?

About the flags, I should add that the other side also used the Union Jack flag, on signs with slogans (tried to read them, couldn't make them out).

GreenFriedTomato · 20/10/2025 14:25

cowleycyclist · 19/10/2025 16:19

You do know that gay Muslims exist, right? Or is this news to you?

And none of them are welcome inside mosques as openly gay muslims. They will never be accepted in majority muslim countries.
I do believe there are a tiny number of 'progressive mosques' (that have a female imam, women pray side by side with men. Gays are welcome etc) in some other European countries but I don't believe there are any in the UK at present.
And none of them are accepted by the wider islamic community.

I can't see the point of bringing up the fact that there are gay muslims. It's more ridiculous than pointing out that there are 'muslim feminists'

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 20/10/2025 14:33

ILikeDungs · 20/10/2025 13:45

How many speakers were there?

I arrived about ten minutes late so it had already started. It was surprising how many women were courageous enough to step forward to speak, considering the very large loud obnoxious crowd only feet away from our group. Maybe eight to ten women spoke? Two men as well, both basically saying "of course you are right, thank you for showing me I am not alone"

Imagine how powerful women would be if there weren’t so many women trying to tear others down.

The TRA side wore black hats and face masks, many dressed all in black with signs like 'Terfs off our Turf' and loudly singing "there's more of us than you" and other put downs while gesticulating wildly. Some made noise with pots and wooden spoons, there was at least one loudhailer, and very oddly an Imam arrived and appeared to play the conductor to the chanting crowd.

On the LWS side the women were dressed as they might dress any day, faces on show for anyone to see (imagine!) holding up signs saying 'free speech for women' and flags with the dictionary definition of women, and this small circle of women offered sympathy and understanding to the women who spoke. One speaker was in tears describing her story. She was supported by the others with many hugs and well-wishes. Who are the baddies here?

About the flags, I should add that the other side also used the Union Jack flag, on signs with slogans (tried to read them, couldn't make them out).

Thank-you for standing up to be counted, I'm sorry that you had to experience this sort of abuse.

The TRA side wore black hats and face masks, many dressed all in black with signs like 'Terfs off our Turf' and loudly singing "there's more of us than you" and other put downs while gesticulating wildly. Some made noise with pots and wooden spoons, there was at least one loudhailer, and very oddly an Imam arrived and appeared to play the conductor to the chanting crowd.

So not there to listen, just to intimidate and drown out other's voices.

Looking at the images I see pretty much all of the protest crowd have adopted a facemasks, hats and scarves chic to hide their identities. The LWS event participants appear the mostly be older women in anoraks.

Once again - not a great optic - a mob of 100 masked 'believers' shouting down lone women when they try to speak. Something that you want to be associated with Green party members? - your leaders seem to think so.

Can someone from the protest supporters explain why the protestors need to hide their identities - surely you'd be happy for others to know your good deeds?

I understand from the report that the police arrested two of the protestors (but later de-arrested one) for,

Section 5 Public Order offence – which concerns the use of threatening, abusive, or disorderly words or behavior, or the display of threatening or abusive writing

Sound like pleasant people.

Easytoconfuse · 20/10/2025 14:40

Niminy · 20/10/2025 13:28

The real problem with KJK is that she is low status. Actually, more accurately, she is low status and she doesn't care. She's not interested in anyone else's purity spirals, or, indeed in being pure herself.

So she's representing people who wouldn't know a purity spiral if it came up and bit them on the backside. Good for her!

deadpan · 20/10/2025 14:48

BundleBoogie · 20/10/2025 09:55

Nowhere have I said the exact same people who attended London attended Oxford.

You said this:

Not sure what confuses you. She attended, very publicly, Yaxley Lennons march in London with a union jack around her shoulders. Now the flag shaggers are attending her LWS events.

What else did you mean?

Nowhere have I said I don't like her. If you'd bothered to look back you'd see that I say, I neither like nor dislike her.

Ok, fine. Your words belie that claim.

I haven't said anything about LWS in any derogatory tone.

I said you were smearing LWS and KJK by making unevidenced claims that to use your disgustingly derogatory term ‘flag shaggers’ were attending her events. But Now the flag shaggers are attending her LWS events. does sound pretty derogatory.

I'm assuming that you support YL otherwise you wouldn't be so dogmatic

Again, wild and totally unfounded accusations. I have made it clear why I am objecting to your repeated and unevidenced attempts at smears and extremely derogatory language and it’s got nothing to do with TR.

I'm also not dishonest. Imo you are - see below for an example.

I said it wouldn't look good if flag wavers start regularly attending the events.

but actually you said Now the flag shaggers are attending her LWS events.. (My italics)

Not the same.

Jeez love, do you scrutinise everybody as much as this, you must be exhausted.
I didn't say the "flag shaggers from the London protest". So no I didn't say the exact same people attended both.
Saying that some undesirables were present at the same time as a LWS event was taking place is not being derogatory to LWS.
"Wild and totally unfounded accusations". No love, it's called an assumption.
Why don't you have a stab at telling me what you're actually trying to say. Because at the moment all you're doing is nit picking.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/10/2025 14:55

deadpan · 20/10/2025 14:48

Jeez love, do you scrutinise everybody as much as this, you must be exhausted.
I didn't say the "flag shaggers from the London protest". So no I didn't say the exact same people attended both.
Saying that some undesirables were present at the same time as a LWS event was taking place is not being derogatory to LWS.
"Wild and totally unfounded accusations". No love, it's called an assumption.
Why don't you have a stab at telling me what you're actually trying to say. Because at the moment all you're doing is nit picking.

With that hole your digging, have you come up in Aus yet?

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 20/10/2025 14:55

For the record, here is the Oxford4trans instagram call to arms

Edited•5d
We're calling on you to help protest anti-trans hate group Let Women Speak from holding a rally this Saturday (18th Oct) at Bonn Sq, Oxford, 12.00pm – 3pm

Their rhetoric is particularly vicious and eliminationist towards trans people, and their more recent output has repeatedly targeted the Muslim community; the group has long held ties to far-right, white nationalist and Nazi groups worldwide, including to Tommy Robinson in the UK

Numbers will be vital to drown out the vitriol and hate here, and make it clear that it is not welcome in our city, so if you feel safe doing so, please attend and share this message widely. Please bring flags, placards, and messages of strength, support and love to help us make it clear that we are united against hatred in all its forms

LWS usually hire “private security” and attracts far-right groups, so please be mindful of your safety first and foremost. We strongly urge you to wear a mask as this group get very personal and may record protesters

Please come support your community and show that the far right is not welcome here!

Contrast that description with what actually happened

  • A hundred strong, masked up mob shouted down lone women who came to speak.
  • The mob was so whipped up in its own virtue vortex that the police needed to arrest two for public order offences
deadpan · 20/10/2025 15:05

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/10/2025 14:55

With that hole your digging, have you come up in Aus yet?

Please do tell why Im apparently digging a hole.
I'm replying to someone who seems to disagree but doesn't say what she thinks. Meanwhile a few ladies seem to have got my drift.

BundleBoogie · 20/10/2025 15:05

deadpan · 20/10/2025 14:48

Jeez love, do you scrutinise everybody as much as this, you must be exhausted.
I didn't say the "flag shaggers from the London protest". So no I didn't say the exact same people attended both.
Saying that some undesirables were present at the same time as a LWS event was taking place is not being derogatory to LWS.
"Wild and totally unfounded accusations". No love, it's called an assumption.
Why don't you have a stab at telling me what you're actually trying to say. Because at the moment all you're doing is nit picking.

🤣🤣 you can just admit that you bade your earlier comments and they might have been unfair and a misrepresentation of the truth? I won’t think any less of you.

You said: Not sure what confuses you. She attended, very publicly, Yaxley Lennons marchin London with a union jack around her shoulders. Now the flag shaggers are attending her LWS events.

So which ‘flag shaggers’ were you referring g yo? Some new group we’ve never heard of?

My point is that I don’t like the bullying and smearing of KJK and LWS using lies and misrepresentation. By all means criticise her actions but you went rather further than that didn’t you.

deadpan · 20/10/2025 15:16

BundleBoogie · 20/10/2025 15:05

🤣🤣 you can just admit that you bade your earlier comments and they might have been unfair and a misrepresentation of the truth? I won’t think any less of you.

You said: Not sure what confuses you. She attended, very publicly, Yaxley Lennons marchin London with a union jack around her shoulders. Now the flag shaggers are attending her LWS events.

So which ‘flag shaggers’ were you referring g yo? Some new group we’ve never heard of?

My point is that I don’t like the bullying and smearing of KJK and LWS using lies and misrepresentation. By all means criticise her actions but you went rather further than that didn’t you.

FFS. I haven't bullied her or LWS. I've literally said that it isn't a good look if flag wavers/shaggers/YL supporters start to attend LWS events. And don't start saying I'm now using different words, because I'm not going back copying and pasting everything I've written, as you seem to think is necessary.
The reason why I said it was that it plays in to the hands of those who accuse GC's of being far right.
You could do with working for the GLP, with your ability to find something out of nothing.

Easytoconfuse · 20/10/2025 15:25

Is anyone else playing spot the troll?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/10/2025 15:40

ILikeDungs · 20/10/2025 13:45

How many speakers were there?

I arrived about ten minutes late so it had already started. It was surprising how many women were courageous enough to step forward to speak, considering the very large loud obnoxious crowd only feet away from our group. Maybe eight to ten women spoke? Two men as well, both basically saying "of course you are right, thank you for showing me I am not alone"

Imagine how powerful women would be if there weren’t so many women trying to tear others down.

The TRA side wore black hats and face masks, many dressed all in black with signs like 'Terfs off our Turf' and loudly singing "there's more of us than you" and other put downs while gesticulating wildly. Some made noise with pots and wooden spoons, there was at least one loudhailer, and very oddly an Imam arrived and appeared to play the conductor to the chanting crowd.

On the LWS side the women were dressed as they might dress any day, faces on show for anyone to see (imagine!) holding up signs saying 'free speech for women' and flags with the dictionary definition of women, and this small circle of women offered sympathy and understanding to the women who spoke. One speaker was in tears describing her story. She was supported by the others with many hugs and well-wishes. Who are the baddies here?

About the flags, I should add that the other side also used the Union Jack flag, on signs with slogans (tried to read them, couldn't make them out).

Thank you for your account, only the gender addled will still think 2+2 = jackboots and Hitler salute after it.

GreenFriedTomato · 20/10/2025 15:54

LWS usually hire “private security” and attracts far-right groups, so please be mindful of your safety first and foremost. We strongly urge you to wear a mask as this group get very personal and may record protesters

The absolute nerve of these people.
I have watched more than enough LWS events to know that the women that attend are mostly older women and are of no threat whatsoever. It's these counter protestors that behave violently towards the attending women.
Also, these events are always filmed anyway. And if the counter protestors are behaving appropriately why would they have to conceal their identities to avoid being recorded?

Please be mindful of your safety?
These people have no shame.

SidewaysOtter · 20/10/2025 16:01

Not sure how I missed this thread before now but, like @ILikeDungs, I was there.

The women were, as usual, standing around politely listening to each other. There was a lady who struggled not to cry (and reduced many of the listeners to sniffs and moist eyes) as she described how she hadn't seen her grandchildren for two years after she'd raised concerns about a female grandchild being raised as a boy. A woman and her mother who talked brilliantly about enforcing single sex loos in schools, and another who talked about the harm caused by gender clinics doling out hormones on first appointments. A fabulous woman who talked about what fascism REALLY is, when she'd lost members of her own family to Nazi gas chambers. And a couple of men, one who just thanked LWS for allowing a different opinion to be heard, and another chap who shook as he described his mother's horror at the idea that men could now be allowed into women's refuges when she'd herself fled domestic violence.

As for the flags, there were mostly "Woman Adult Human Female" and "TERF Island" ones - the latter have been around for quite some time, it's not something that's come about due to recent events.

Everyone was friendly and supportive.

Of course, on the other side of the road were masked protestors screaming at us. Some of it was the usual nonsense of "There's more of us than you/Whose streets our streets" (walk down any street you like, we're not stopping you!) but it was really unpleasant and deliberately intended to be intimidating. The visual of women talking among themselves and a solid phalanx of protestors howling abuse was quite striking. That was on top of the men whom I saw with the protesters earlier, who slunk round the back of the LWS group to have a good look at what was going on, a sudden loss of sound which may or may not have been someone pulling the plug deliberately, and a woman in sub fusc who pushed forward to shout "Fuck you" before running away.

I'm no wilting violet, I'll happily give as good as I get and I've spent quite a lot of time in Oxford over the years and never felt unsafe. And yet when I had to walk back past the protesters shortly after the LWS event finished and everyone drifted off, I carried my attack alarm in my pocket. THAT'S how awful the protesters were. THAT'S how shitty they were to women who wanted to speak in public.

As for the preacher, he absolutely was standing with the protestors and right at the front. Maybe he'd got confused and thought the number of keffiyehs on display meant it was a pro-Palestine event but he was still supporting people who were screaming abuse at a women's rights event. He was at his stall later on and got short shrift when he asked us to support his cause, so I hope he understands the sort of people and attitudes he was lending credence to.

Easytoconfuse · 20/10/2025 16:02

GreenFriedTomato · 20/10/2025 15:54

LWS usually hire “private security” and attracts far-right groups, so please be mindful of your safety first and foremost. We strongly urge you to wear a mask as this group get very personal and may record protesters

The absolute nerve of these people.
I have watched more than enough LWS events to know that the women that attend are mostly older women and are of no threat whatsoever. It's these counter protestors that behave violently towards the attending women.
Also, these events are always filmed anyway. And if the counter protestors are behaving appropriately why would they have to conceal their identities to avoid being recorded?

Please be mindful of your safety?
These people have no shame.

Oh come on, be fair. You wouldn't want them to hurt their backs while they were throwing things, would you?

It's so nice of them, and our visitors, to give us such a clear insight into their thought processes. Now what we need to do is give the rest of the world the chance to see it too, and that's starting to happen, which probably explains some of the behaviour.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/10/2025 16:07

GreenFriedTomato · 20/10/2025 15:54

LWS usually hire “private security” and attracts far-right groups, so please be mindful of your safety first and foremost. We strongly urge you to wear a mask as this group get very personal and may record protesters

The absolute nerve of these people.
I have watched more than enough LWS events to know that the women that attend are mostly older women and are of no threat whatsoever. It's these counter protestors that behave violently towards the attending women.
Also, these events are always filmed anyway. And if the counter protestors are behaving appropriately why would they have to conceal their identities to avoid being recorded?

Please be mindful of your safety?
These people have no shame.

Every hero needs a villain, the more villainous the bad guy are the more heroic the good guys are. These people so desperately need to believe they are the good guys. Perhaps the voice they need to drown out the most is the one inside their empty heads that keeps telling them 'you're the villain, you're the villain'.

JamieCannister · 20/10/2025 16:09

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

The idea that women shouldn't be buulied by their dads and husbands into hiding their faces and avoiding living a full life is not "anti-muslim". It is pro muslim and anti islamist

quantumbutterfly · 20/10/2025 16:44

GreenFriedTomato · 20/10/2025 15:54

LWS usually hire “private security” and attracts far-right groups, so please be mindful of your safety first and foremost. We strongly urge you to wear a mask as this group get very personal and may record protesters

The absolute nerve of these people.
I have watched more than enough LWS events to know that the women that attend are mostly older women and are of no threat whatsoever. It's these counter protestors that behave violently towards the attending women.
Also, these events are always filmed anyway. And if the counter protestors are behaving appropriately why would they have to conceal their identities to avoid being recorded?

Please be mindful of your safety?
These people have no shame.

No self awareness for sure.

BundleBoogie · 20/10/2025 16:50

deadpan · 20/10/2025 15:16

FFS. I haven't bullied her or LWS. I've literally said that it isn't a good look if flag wavers/shaggers/YL supporters start to attend LWS events. And don't start saying I'm now using different words, because I'm not going back copying and pasting everything I've written, as you seem to think is necessary.
The reason why I said it was that it plays in to the hands of those who accuse GC's of being far right.
You could do with working for the GLP, with your ability to find something out of nothing.

But you didn’t literally say that. You specifically said ‘flag shaggers’ and that they were attending her events.

No need to go back to your posts, it’s right here:

Not sure what confuses you. She attended, very publicly, Yaxley Lennons marchin London with a union jack around her shoulders. Now the flag shaggers are attending her LWS events.

I took exception and called you out on that disgusting use of language and smearing the event attendees/KJK and you then pretended you’d said something different and denied being dishonest.

You then accused me of supporting TR when I hadn’t even mentioned his name.

I'm assuming that you support YL otherwise you wouldn't be so dogmatic.

The only reason we are still having this conversation is because you kept denying and misrepresenting the facts.

I’ll leave it there though. I think everything is clear now. The only people I can see accusing anyone of being far right are KJKs detractors on here.

BundleBoogie · 20/10/2025 17:00

SidewaysOtter · 20/10/2025 16:01

Not sure how I missed this thread before now but, like @ILikeDungs, I was there.

The women were, as usual, standing around politely listening to each other. There was a lady who struggled not to cry (and reduced many of the listeners to sniffs and moist eyes) as she described how she hadn't seen her grandchildren for two years after she'd raised concerns about a female grandchild being raised as a boy. A woman and her mother who talked brilliantly about enforcing single sex loos in schools, and another who talked about the harm caused by gender clinics doling out hormones on first appointments. A fabulous woman who talked about what fascism REALLY is, when she'd lost members of her own family to Nazi gas chambers. And a couple of men, one who just thanked LWS for allowing a different opinion to be heard, and another chap who shook as he described his mother's horror at the idea that men could now be allowed into women's refuges when she'd herself fled domestic violence.

As for the flags, there were mostly "Woman Adult Human Female" and "TERF Island" ones - the latter have been around for quite some time, it's not something that's come about due to recent events.

Everyone was friendly and supportive.

Of course, on the other side of the road were masked protestors screaming at us. Some of it was the usual nonsense of "There's more of us than you/Whose streets our streets" (walk down any street you like, we're not stopping you!) but it was really unpleasant and deliberately intended to be intimidating. The visual of women talking among themselves and a solid phalanx of protestors howling abuse was quite striking. That was on top of the men whom I saw with the protesters earlier, who slunk round the back of the LWS group to have a good look at what was going on, a sudden loss of sound which may or may not have been someone pulling the plug deliberately, and a woman in sub fusc who pushed forward to shout "Fuck you" before running away.

I'm no wilting violet, I'll happily give as good as I get and I've spent quite a lot of time in Oxford over the years and never felt unsafe. And yet when I had to walk back past the protesters shortly after the LWS event finished and everyone drifted off, I carried my attack alarm in my pocket. THAT'S how awful the protesters were. THAT'S how shitty they were to women who wanted to speak in public.

As for the preacher, he absolutely was standing with the protestors and right at the front. Maybe he'd got confused and thought the number of keffiyehs on display meant it was a pro-Palestine event but he was still supporting people who were screaming abuse at a women's rights event. He was at his stall later on and got short shrift when he asked us to support his cause, so I hope he understands the sort of people and attitudes he was lending credence to.

Edited

Thank you and @ILikeDungs for your accounts. It is great to have it from the horses mouth so to speak.

It sounds like that Muslim preacher could have got confused but naturally gravitated towards the men shouting abuse at women rather than listening so I think pp was wholly unreasonable in criticising KJK for being rude to him (and dishonest for implying that she was being anti Muslim and called him an ‘asshole’ randomly with no provocation).

I’m looking out for an event near me - it sounds scary and all you attendees are very brave but I need to stand up and be counted at some point.

deadpan · 20/10/2025 17:00

If you feel like you've somehow found me out, fill your boots.
We're all entitled to opinions, you don't convey yours, you just criticise other people's and tell them off for swearing.
I know what I meant and so do a few others on the thread. T'ra love, I don't see any point in continuing to engage. Whatever I say you'll try and say I had hidden meanings.

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