A little piece of insight

[Tandora]

Into a topic so woefully misunderstood.

But not as important as the terrible unspeakable burden that Dr Upton carries?

I was subjected to a very violent rape (vaginal and oral) and a sexual assault (fingers in my mouth and vagina)

he strangled me until I passed out and when I regained consciousness I had pissed myself. I was pinned against the back wall of my living room and he was strangling me with a hand at my throat to keep me in place.

as a result of that, I have a terrible burden to carry every day for the rest of my life. It’s not unspeakable though - I’ll shout it loud from the rooftops.

I say no to men in women’s single sex spaces and the law agrees with me.

Dr Upton can identify however Dr Upton pleases, but Dr Upton is not a woman and when I ask for a female clinician, I expect the NHS to obey the law and not send a man.

predator enabler or liar.

Is this a description of trans people, those who support them, or both?

Again, your confusion on this point is your total failure to grasp/ understand what it is to be a trans person.

It is very possible for a person to be trans and pass a medical degree.

It's a descriptor of those arguing for men in women's spaces. The nicest of them are unintentional predator enablers.

So... your solution is to label everything for women as Women, Not Transwomen, and then everything is hunky dory and nobody is offended?

Almost every reply by Tan contains a cutting remark, an insult, a snippy comment- an implication that we simply don't understand the reasoning that a 'clever' 'scientist' person does. There are many many professional and intelligent posters here. Tan seems to have the opinion that Tan is here to enlighten and instruct the poor unfortunate, mean, and hard of thinking wims.

It's very frustrating that a person claiming to be a woman (cis is a slur) can wilfully disregard well- reasoned replies. It absolutely reeks of misogyny

And 'scientist'; hmm makes me channel my inner Victor Meldrew
'I dont believe it'

As for Tan- I'll try my hardest to sit on my hands when I see Tan's posts.

One of the things that annoys me is that although we can all observe that people with Body Anxiety Disorder are given special respect and admiration because of their condition, and additional status in society, we are expected to believe that no-one ever claims to have Body Anxiety Disorder so that they get the freebies.

And that there is no way of proving or disproving that claim.

So Dr Upton is trans then?
I thought the argument was that he's a biological female. So surely not trans.
What's he transing to or from?

You don't even have to go to Reddit for some anonymous rando, take for instance Victoria McCloud. Quoting the Telegraph:

Ms McCloud said that her sex has changed “for all purposes” under gender laws.

Speaking to The Telegraph after her Financial News interview, she said: “As an anatomical, endocrinological and legal woman whose birth registration is female, I am as at risk of rape and assault as any woman and efforts to place me in isolation in hospital or force me to use male spaces are no more than blind prejudice.”

In a separate interview with the BCC, McCloud claimed that he had changed sex "in every way, from every perspective"

And also seemed to imply that taking oestrogen prevented him from getting pregnant.

https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/p0lh0c9r

x.com/LegalGengar/status/1931724550825218133?s=19

Fucking hell @Taztoy I'm so sorry you went through that 💐

Social scientist - can spot it a mile off

Dr Upton can identify however Dr Upton pleases, but Dr Upton is not a woman and when I ask for a female clinician, I expect the NHS to obey the law and not send a man.

If a single vulnerable woman gets treated by one of these men when she asked for a female doctor, a thousand gardens will bloom overnight and the ensuing court case will peak even the BBC

Almost every reply by Tan contains a cutting remark, an insult, a snippy comment

I really don't accept that. I give far far milder than I get.

Lol

If you're a trans person, first of all you have to know what sex you are.

Only men can be transwomen.

Dr Upton is a person registered male at birth, with physical characteristics that are usually associated with male persons. Being trans means that, despite being registered male at birth, Dr Upton understands/ recognises/ knows herself to be female.

Are you suggesting he lied under oath?

Either way, IMO, he is not fit to prctice due to being someone who lies under oath or being someone who doesnt; know that sex is real and matters.

That's before we get into the "I'd commit sexual assault" confession (which is what his argument regarding women wanting single sex care was, again, IMO)

To be honest, if trans people and TRAs had been clear that it was fine to be as rude as we like 10 years ago 99% of this queer theory infected guff would never have taken hold.

Yes. But I don't believe it is possible for someone to be trans and pass a medical degree and not know what sex they are.

It's a shame really because social science can make really valuable contributions when it is done well. The course entry requirements are pretty low though, so not everyone that studies it has a first class mind

So if he knows he’s trans, he knows he’s not female. If he was female, he wouldn’t be a transwoman. Females cannot be transwomen. So either he lied about being female or he lied about being trans. Either way, he’s not a woman and had no right to be in female spaces. Why are you insistent women give up their single sex spaces to men? Women are saying no. Just accept that.

No. You're wrong. I'll say it again. The problem is that you, @Tandora, don't understand, and can't accept, what it means to be trans.

Like many/most other posters here, I do understand. I'm also clear about your lack of understanding, and its consequences (and I have a fairly good idea of its etiology).

Sorry and all. But it does need saying.

Yes, Dr Upton is male. In the same way as Dr Upton is a human, even if he decided one day that he is a koala bear.

Yes, because you don't understand what it is to be trans. The 'knowing of sex' is precisely the issue that makes them trans.

Thank you.

I’ve talked about it before on here. Quite a lot.

I’m old and I have no fucks left to give, in terms of embarrassment.

I was ashamed and embarrassed to talk about it at first. The police were awful (complaint’s in) and it continues to be a challenge for me just to keep going some days.

I used to be what does it matter, use the pronouns anyone wants, who cares, people are nice.

But not everyone is nice. Some people are violent and nasty.

And having interacted with one of them I have trauma and scars I will carry for the rest of my life. He broke my finger. It doesn’t work properly any more. My ring finger on my right hand. It’s scarred from a friction burn. I don’t know how I got that - I assume when I was trying to stop him.

Single sex spaces matter for people like me. I have had to go home when a man stood outside the disabled toilet and was talking. He wasn’t going any harm, but my trauma is such that I couldn’t cope.

My group counselling is single sex.

He have me hpv (and genital herpes - bonus) and when I went for the colposcopy because they found the hpv - I asked for all female team. If it had been a man I wouldn’t have been able to cope.

My trauma is every bit as real and distressing as Dr Upton’s and the law says Dr Upton for the purposes of single sex spaces, is male.

If Dr Upton and other transgender people want to change that law, or campaign for a fourth space they should.

but in the meantime they should obey the law.

I had a child in my nursery class who told me she was a boy and was visibly upset and distressed if others in the class told her she was a girl or corrected her. The happiest I have ever seen her was when her Mum (eventually) let her cut her hair short. She came running in to show me. This a three year old child with an older sister. Nobody told her to feel this way. Her parents didn’t encourage her or tell her she was a boy. I don’t know necessarily if they corrected her but they let her choose “boy’s” clothes and toys because it made her happy. She is older now and looks like she has “conformed” to wesring conventional “girl” clothes, but I worry about her and how she really feels.

I am writing this because I have seen the distress. And it is real. And it’s heartbreaking for these children.