A little piece of insight

[Tandora]

Into a topic so woefully misunderstood.

It's still a No to blokes in women's spaces.

We don't tell our children to listen to the voices.....

Nope. Still a no from me. No males in female spaces even if they’re really really sad.

Still no blokes in women’s spaces.
I’ve yet to hear a cohesive argument as to why a man’s body dysphoria or AGP is women’s problem to solve.

Best get therapy quick and learn to live with the reality that no matter what, you’ll never be a dinosaur ‘mate’.

OK great. Anyone who cannot truthfully say they cried about their sex at the age of six isn't allowed to identify as trans. Happy now?

What is the point of this nonsense?

Here’s a bit of ‘insight’ for you OP, you can’t force other people to go along with your delusions.

If that is your level of evidence, I suspect that you will always be only posting emotional reasoned links.

Whoever that person is, has just plopped down a whole lot of assumptions that they have made about other people. Yet, are we to believe that they have said something that justifies affirming only treatment plans for children and socially transitioning children?

Lol well that was written by someone who's never been a parent!

As if children don't get into tears of rage because they can't have an impossible thing they really really set their heart on!

As if children don't get attach totally arbitrary meanings and importance to odd things!

The only difference with trans stuff is the lie that they can have this impossible thing, and that this arbitrary importance is somehow different.

Interruptaron incoming. Still NO.

Blah blah 🙄

men are still not women and we don't care if they're sad about it

the answer is still no

It hurt when my parents refused to buy me a pony. I had a notebook with pages of potential names depending on sex/colour for all eventualities.

If my child said they were hearing voices and I could see that they were serious about it, yes I would be concerned. But I wouldn't think that they were actually receiving messages from the spirit world or something.

Not a great analogy for your purposes.

If a small child is so distressed by their imaginative play/belief that something is wrong with their body, then i would be looking for therapeutic input for the child and parenting education for the parent.

This. The distress may very well be real. The treatment for that isn’t allowing grown men into women’s spaces.

Or carrying out irreversible medical procedures on children.

I remember when I was about 6 years old I whinged and pined for over a year for a particular toy. I remember clearly the physical pain and yearning.

I was a bit of a misfit child and a bit bullied and often excluded by my "friends" and it was the in toy for that group and to me it was obvious that if I just had that toy I'd be fully accepted as one of the group. The thought of not getting it and having to carry on being me as I was was unbearable. I could not understand why my parents would be so cruel as to have the power to grant me a better happier life and yet withhold it.

It meant so much more to me than just wanting a toy.

But what it represented in my head and the reasons it felt so important still weren't real things.

Use the gents

You’ll be fine

(as a side note, someone in the general Trans collective needs to decide if it’s a mental illness or not. What’s described in that screenshot sounds like a mental illness)

How is it an interruption when she’s started her own thread? It just comes across as a way to shut down discussion. You’re obviously free to post whatever you want but it doesn’t seem like you’re extending the same principle to others

Well quite (and thank god because anyone spouting that rubbish would be a terribly self obsessed emotionally negligent parent). Why is it that TRAs get so mad if anyone makes assumptions about them but it’s ok for them to assume I never cried myself to sleep at 6 wishing I had a tail? I mean I actually did. I used to convince myself I could feel it and that it would grow any minute.

I’m still not a dinosaur.

I’m the product of shit parenting that didn’t raise me to distinguish between fantasy and reality at a young age and I had to figure that out for myself because my parents prioritised imagination above functioning in actual reality. And I refuse to pass that bollocks “you can be anything you imagine you are” toxic shit down to the next generation.

TRAs: Don’t hate on those who say the Emperor’s not wearing anything, hate the upbringing and system that primed you into being fooled.

And I also noted the ‘conservative’ unfounded allegation in that (not so) sassy meme.

1/10.

And even if that child had pseudo-dinosaur bits grafted on, she would still not be a dinosaur.

Help her come to terms with that rather than insist that everyone else go along with the pretence that she is one.

Thank you for acknowledging that the distress is real. This is important.

TRAs would absolutely agree with you.

It's a helpful analogy - you don't need to understand the concept of schizophrenia to know that you are hearing voices. You don't need to have a medical degree to know that you have a pain in your gut. A child doesn't need to understand the concepts of sex/ gender/ transness to know what is hurting them. If a child is hurting, you help them.

That's the point the analogy is illustrating.

It's not to suggest that being trans is the same thing as being schizophrenic or that the treatments will be similar / the same.

Tandora, no one has ever denied that many trans identifying people do genuinely feel distress and do genuinely believe they are, in a way that is meaningful to them even if it cannot be aligned to any objective and consistent meaning for others, "really" the opposite sex.

I even believe many of the men who come to this through a fetish are genuine by their own measure, albeit based on a personal and sexually-driven understanding of "woman" that few if any women would recognise for themselves or appreciate being defined as by others.

But it's not their inner reality that is being challenged, it's the presumption that this inner reality aligns in any meaningful way with the outer, objective reality in which we all share and in which we all must live.

A man's very genuine belief that he is a woman does not actually mean he is a woman.