Women Against the Far Right - Open Letter

[ThisChicPinkRaven]

A collection of prominent women have signed an open letter regarding the far right's consistent, and increasing, 'justification' for their vile behaviour that immigrants represent a sexual threat to women.

It's true that there are some instances of sexual violence committed by migrants, the overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this subject, specifically whether your personal politics regarding migrants are coloured by the degree of threat you feel.
I am aware that there are some people on this board who hold views not wholly compatible with the rest of us, so please remember to be kind, patient, and thoughtful in your responses.

Source Links
Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse
Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/womens-safety-far-right-vawg-government-b2811674.html

No British ethnic group is non-white. You have been watching too much BBC. That does not mean there was not a population of a few tens of thousands of other ethnicities living in the UK before the 1950s but it was a very tiny minority.

‘British’ is not an ethnic group. It is a nationality stemming from a historically recent political accommodation. A British person can be any colour. You can be ethnically Scottish, and British. You can be ethnically Irish, and British. You can be ethnically West-Indian, and British.

We shoild probably spend a lot more money and time getting children to udneetsnd when the live in an abusive household and how to report it.

💯 I’ve lost the will to correct this now. Fcking painful. People hear what they want hear. It’s a shame.

Are you talking about being English? You understand British is a nationality, right? And it is made up of several regions, called countries. The people from these countries are ethnically diverse but have mixed lots of centuries. There are very few people who are ethnically English, for instance. I remember one of the DNA stories on ITV showed a celebrity who is 95%+ Irish and that was deemed highly unusual, even for white Irish people who have never left Ireland.

My DNA shows about 20% Hungarian. We don't know of anyone from that region and it isn't from one place either. What's most likely is that several of my ancestors on both sides hailed from that part of the world and it adds up to 1/5 of me.

Yes but you don’t go around saying that,
’stranger danger isn’t an issue, YOU are more likely to kill your own child than a stranger!’

The difference is that you are trying to shut down discussion of a very real threat.

You could say "stranger danger is an issue, but statistically you are more likely to kill your child, so let's talk about how you're really feeling about your relationships and home life...."

The distinctions between race, ethnicity and nationality are absolutely lost in most of these discussions and education at schools on these subjects is woefully inadequate if not nonexistent. It needs addressing.

You really don’t believe English people exist? Do you think this about all global ethnicities? Do you just totally reject the concept or what’s going on here?

Of course English people exist. Firstly you have everyone who has English citizenship. They can be of any colour and be English. And then you have people who are ethnically English because their ancestors have hailed from here for centuries. There are very few people like that because they'll at least be mixed with Scottish, Welsh or Irish if not French, German or Scandinavian. So thoroughbred English people? A rarity.

You would agree that stranger danger is much easier to address than family violence?

There have been so many failures in protecting children from violent parents. Nobody says you stop doing that.

At the same time, you DO teach children to avoid strangers, to seek help from older women or women with kids, to duck into shops if they are being followed, etc.

It’s not really either/or, is it? You can do both. Incredible, isn’t it?

No, actually. I don't think it is much easier to stop the few strangers snatching kids than it is to lessen abuse in the family home. It just requires more self reflection and accountability to do the latter.

There is no such thing as English citizenship. 'English' is an ethnocultural group, not a nationality.

The debate surrounding ethnic groups is that on the one side we have people like @SouthWamses who subscribe to the genetic theory of ethnicity - that you can only belong to a specific ethnic group if you share a similar genotype (specifically that related to skin colour) to the archetype of that group. It's one of the core precepts of ethnonationalism.

The other approach is ethnoculturalism, where culture and language are considered more significant markers of ethnic group membership than genetics. I personally feel that the ethnocultural approach makes more sense, particularly in non-isolate populations like that of the British Isles.

Of course English people exist. Firstly you have everyone who has English citizenship

First of all, I don’t think there is any such thing as English citizenship. It’s an ethnicity without a nation, isn’t it? (Not British so really don’t know)

They can be of any colour and be English

No you can’t. English refers to a specific people. You cannot become English any more than you can become ethnic Japanese.

In any case, you already have a nice category for people who permanently emigrate to your country: British.

And then you have people who are ethnically English because their ancestors have hailed from here for centuries. There are very few people like that because they'll at least be mixed with Scottish, Welsh or Irish if not French, German or Scandinavian. So thoroughbred English people?

The English genome has been remarkably stable since 1066. If you are not a distinct people, then who on earth is?

Actually im asked on forms all the time what country of the UK I live in because there are slightly different rules and allowances etc.

Very few people only have this though? There are very few 100% English people.

A growing proportion of British people were born overseas and a significant number of others were born from families who were born overseas. They are all British citizens. Some integrate and some live in communities whose culture is still entirely that of their country of origin. Trying to pretend that they are identical to people whose culture is entirely English is part of the reason we are in this mess.

Or since they are also British, we have to accept that British culture is more diverse and varied than what happens in Little Villages around Berkshire.

What do you mean by that? It doesn’t seem likely that most English people have an immigrant parent or grandparent??

If you go back to GGP, then I think most of us do have at least one who came from Scotland or somewhere

If you prefer to be British, that is entirely your right and it seems to me British is a cultural designation, not ethnic or racial.

I'm not sure of the relevance of this? It's hardly surprising that Scotland and England have different political, education, taxation, and legal systems. Just as Oregon and Texas, or Bavaria and Brandenburg do.

The relevance is that it does matter if you are a citizen of England, N Ireland, Scotland or Wales for certain things. I am British, but I am also English.

English people naturally have some Celtic ancestry? It’s one of the basal populations that contributed to English genetics.

This is entirely true. I sometimes wonder if our tribal left wingers ever go outside of Hackney or Haringey, because if they did, they'd find that normie white Brits - even Reform voters in Essex! - have more nuanced views than they might imagine.

Normie white Brits think that too many people are coming in, they worry that the wrong kinds of people are coming in, and they don't want migrant hotels in their communities. But they like their black friends. This is why overt racism is very unpopular, and outfits like the BNP have been defunct for years.

Normie white Brits don't like ethnic enclaves, but they're generally very well disposed towards minorities who integrate well.

Normie white Brits worry about radical Islam and are horrified by stories of grooming gangs, but they won't hear a word against Mr Iqbal next door.

Normie white Brits - even Millwall supporters! - are quite happy to support anti-racism campaigns in football, they just don't like importing American racial politics in the form of taking a knee for BLM.

Normie white Brits like to see themselves as moderate, and having the likes of Zarah Sultana or Leanne Wood or Charlotte Church call them "racist" or "far right" simply for not supporting the far left's view of immigration will just get their backs up.

Tommy Robinson has a following in the country, but polling shows he's extremely unpopular with the majority - his approval rating is similar to that of Meghan Markle or Keir Starmer. It seems to me that it's the British left that's working hard to persuade people that Tommy Robinson has a point.