Women Against the Far Right - Open Letter

[ThisChicPinkRaven]

A collection of prominent women have signed an open letter regarding the far right's consistent, and increasing, 'justification' for their vile behaviour that immigrants represent a sexual threat to women.

It's true that there are some instances of sexual violence committed by migrants, the overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this subject, specifically whether your personal politics regarding migrants are coloured by the degree of threat you feel.
I am aware that there are some people on this board who hold views not wholly compatible with the rest of us, so please remember to be kind, patient, and thoughtful in your responses.

Source Links
Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse
Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/womens-safety-far-right-vawg-government-b2811674.html

Men of all races pose a risk.

Chinas one child policy skewed the population stats wildly as so many baby girls were aborted or left to die. In any place where men outnumber women it’s an issue. We have enough shitty men of our own so why would I feel delighted my little town suddenly has 500 more.

I don’t understand the rhetoric of white British guys rape and murder us so don’t complain about asylum seekers. Complain about them all.

Any links from The Guardian or Daily Mail are helpful because I immediately know the poster has a specific axe to grind.

It seems like you're arguing with yourself.

@Ihavetoask Traditionally British culture is tolerant of other people. So the next door neighbour or the person running the local shop are welcome to their own culture and you may decide to join in by sharing their food or festivals. When you try to force it onto other people or tell them their culture must now change is when you drive them towards the far right.

The recent flag flying began because a child was not allowed to talk about, and be proud of, traditional British culture.

Or more likely, it’s in this section because it’s men attacking (usually), ie it’s a sex-based crime?

This.

Most people in the UK who criticise immigration are indeed not racialists who refuse to change or get off their high horses of racial superiority.

They are people who for the last 20 years have shared more and more of their land and resources with foreigners at an astonishing rate, have overall welcomed them (if you think English people are the most xenophobic/racist in the world, you simply haven't travelled enough), have been relentlessly challenged or shamed to be more kind, more tolerant, more accepting etc.

And now that, at the light of 20y of experience and when everything is out of control, they say "enough" or "it is not working", they are fascists and racist pigs who only do this because of 'beliefs'?

I’m just pushing back on the idea that English ethnicity is fake or not real. It’s about as real as any other ethnicity.

You are better off just saying that you don’t value it. Many prefer thinking of themselves as British, which is fine.

The Feminism:sex and gender board was separated from the Feminism:chat board to have a board specifically for GI discussions so MNetters who don't want to read these threads can avoid them. So when OP puts this thread into the sex and gender board, rather than other feminism board it's fair enough to question why the OP puts it into this board specifically.

This is weird statement that shows a total lack of understanding of how diverse British culture is, whether analysed by country or on county level. There are vast differences between the linguistic idioms and accents, traditions, celebrations, folklore, even recipes if you compare eg Lancashire to Somerset to Monmouthshire. We've either lost that knowledge or we're trying to destroy it.

ThisChicPinkRaven

"The overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here."

Google "per capita" . If 99% of migrants committed crimes the majority of criminals would still be local so your claim is misleading.

Then try this thought experiment.

You're trying to out-swim a crocodile when I release 10 more into the water.

"it's ok" I shout "there were already crocodiles in this river so it makes no difference"

My first instinct was that this is yet another tedious instalment in our regular encounters with women who think it's very very important for feminism to be loyal to the left wing tribe, and who think (and are determined to prove) that FWR is full of Tommy Robinson supporters.

That's not true of course. Many of us, maybe most of us, are politically homeless, and I'd guess a majority of those came from some variety of left wing politics and were disillusioned by the actual behaviour of the left.

Posting an open letter emanating from the SWP and then boasting that you've flushed out the racists is not my idea of how to win friends and influence people.

our regular encounters with women

I actually suspect quite a few of them are blokes looking for another angle to scold the silly women, but that's not a necessary assumption.

Nigel Farage reminding us yesterday how close he is to sex-offender Donald Trump: "I’ve only known him personally as a friend for over a decade"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/sep/02/cooper-reeves-starmer-green-party-leader-badenoch-devolution-latest-updates?CMP=sharebtnurl&page=with%3Ablock-68b7053f8f08020a75f11e3f#block-68b7053f8f08020a75f11e3f

Donald Trump is President of America and being on good terms with the American President is something that all UK politicians should aim for in order to protect/further the interests of the UK. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

Absolute fabrication.

The Feminism "Sex and Gender" board which its URL shows it is still the Women's Rigths boards is an artificial creation on MNHQ after a tiny number of women didn't want to have their idea of feminism "contaminated" by women who believe in women's sex based rights, because women are oppressed as a sex class.

Any topic that a women is interested in can be posted here for the very obvious reason that if you believe in women's sex based rights then you value the opions of women of a like mind on any number of issues.

The problem is not whether this is FWR or the board where all the nice girls go, but we haven't yet been able to have discussion about race without it dumbing down into stereotypes.

It happens on every thread where this is even only a slight part of the actually OP.

You cannot be a citizen of England, Scotland, or Wales. You are a citizen of the UK, and a resident of one of these constituent nations. N. Ireland is different because those born there can choose British citizenship, Irish citizenship, or both.

If we are being pedantic, you can’t be a citizen of the UK, you are a British Citizen

Ate ypu suggesting that these Essex Reform voters have shared more resources with asylum.seekers and immigrants in general than people in Hackney or Haringey?

Well when they ask you where you live to establish what you have rights to and where, they ask you if you are in England. So obviously you can be a citizen of England and have to specifiy that at times.

I'd say the people who say British people aren't British have more trouble accepting that.

You do realise Jaywick in Farage’s constituency, is the most deprived neighbourhood in the UK? And that white working class men are the most underachieving?

Here's a funny thing I've noticed in multiple threads where people are bigging up some SUTR initiative like this open letter, or the demo on Saturday week that it's meant to advertise.

If you're, let's say, a Labour member or a Green member or a non-aligned left winger, there's nothing stopping you saying "well obviously I condemn racism and Tommy Robinson etc etc, but also the SWP is rapey as fuck and I do not align myself with them."

But, whenever I've put the question to them, they never do that. They just bluster about how everyone else is "far right". Indeed they'll go on marches led by rape defender Weyman Bennett and rape defender Samira Ali, and feel virtuous about it. It's a hell of a drug, left wing tribalism.

Obviously this goes double for all the MPs and union officials and celebrities who lend their names to this sort of thing, and don't have the wit or energy to find an anti-racism campaign not led by rape defenders.

@Ihavetoask the diverse cultures in the uk all still have some things in common - like a belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, a sense of fair play, support for the underdog. Some people who were born here call themselves British but dont share those values, especially the value of tolerance - so dont actually want to be British, they want to turn Britain into somewhere else. All British cultures also share a Christian heritage even if more people are currently atheist or agnostic.

Do I give a damn about what nitwits like Charlotte Church or Zarah Sultana say ?
No.

Yes, you're correct of course. And there also exist various kinds of 'British Nationality' which are not the same as British Citizenship.