Women Against the Far Right - Open Letter

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A collection of prominent women have signed an open letter regarding the far right's consistent, and increasing, 'justification' for their vile behaviour that immigrants represent a sexual threat to women.

It's true that there are some instances of sexual violence committed by migrants, the overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this subject, specifically whether your personal politics regarding migrants are coloured by the degree of threat you feel.
I am aware that there are some people on this board who hold views not wholly compatible with the rest of us, so please remember to be kind, patient, and thoughtful in your responses.

Source Links
Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse
Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/womens-safety-far-right-vawg-government-b2811674.html

If they really want to keep women safe why are they focussing on what can be done about a minority of migrants rather than what is clearly so deeply wrong with our patriarchal society?

Because you could just have border control
and deny them entry. You are a fucking island, no land borders. So why not deal with this low-hanging fruit? Why make things even MORE difficult for yourselves?

I can’t understand it.

Do you have a non pay walled link to the stats in the UK or England and Wales or an article about them? I’ve only seen data on convictions which show that non UK foreign nationals get convicted proportional with their make up of the general population. But that’s useless anyway when so few men get convicted to begin with.

don't blame us for the fact that it's men however they present that are the issue and yet the women who signed this latest think there's a special class of men that somehow aren't

it's all linked - if you (the broad you not you personally) can't see that the issue is men, however they present, whatever their race, nationality, colour, religion, it's men that are the problem but are still fully signed up to TWAW then you dont understand that the issue is men

On plea deals, stats also sure you're more likely to get one if you are white and more likely to agree to one. So that's partly why white people get shorter sentences.

I think in our own country, it was estimated that Black people get 200% longer sentences or something but then it was revised to show they get 140%.

You have to ask OP why Op put it into "Feminism: Sex and gender discussions" rather than "Feminism:chat" or AIBU or whatever other suitable section of MN. I very much assume that this is what OP tried to achieve, the "look, all they can talk about is trans people" reaction might well have been OP's aim.

Hope you feel the same about the third world then. Are you in fact advocating for a blanket ban on the Global South?

Okay so if we accept that it’s easier just not to let men into the country so we start blocking them what do we do about all the jobs immigrants currently do? What happens to the NHS, our care homes and any other number of places?

And then of course we’re left with the overwhelming number of British men who pose a risk to women and girls. I suppose as we’re an island it’s easy enough to just chuck them in the sea.

I've seen and read of stats, which I'll try and dig out, on crime and sexual crime in European countries such as Germany and The Netherlands. There does seem to be a link between increased rates of sexual crime and migrant populations. Below is an article on the German situation from 'The Critic'.

Ayann Hirsi Ali has certainly written lots about the negative impact on local European female populations of large numbers of migrants.

"In spring 2024, Herbert Reul, Interior Minister of Germany’s most populous state(22 million inhabitants), Northern Rhine-Westphalia, said something remarkable: “We have a problem with non-German criminals.” What’s remarkable is not what Reul said but the fact that a centre-right politician from the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party said it. Nancy Faeser, Germany’s Interior Minister from the centre-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) — which courts voters of non-German ancestry — also said something which would have been branded far-right provocation just a few years ago: “We have to talk about the rise in crime by foreigners”.

....statistics from that state: in 2023, 80.1 per cent of pickpockets were foreigners, as were 47.6 per cent of shoplifters, 47.3 per cent of burglars, 41.6 per cent of homicide suspects, and 37.1 per cent of suspects in violent sex crimes"....Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021."

https://thecritic.co.uk/germany-is-acknowledging-the-unspeakable/

I have a pretty clear idea what your agenda is tbh.

Women can raise concerns about things they are concerned about.

I actually get quite shocked at what I read here on Mumnet in terms of what women put up with in their relationships and marriages. I don’t think the West is amazing for women and children either. What about online porn?

Muslim men are what - 3% of the population? It seems very inefficient to only go after them when there is so much work to be done across the board.

Women are more likely to do these jobs anyway, and I assume that criminal background checks are part of the process.

Otherwise you’ll get something like what happened in Ireland, where a failed asylum seeker somehow got a job in a care home, where he raped upwards of 20 women with dementia: m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/hse-restarts-investigation-to-identify-more-potential-victims-of-nursing-home-rapist-emmanuel-adeniji/a430149065.html

I think there is also a link to the sexual abuse of migrant women by migrant men.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666776223001503

Being aware and therefore nervous of the values and behaviour of some of the unknown men entering the country does not make you "far right". Cheap use of the phrase.

This report relates to the statistics for sexual violence in Sweden in 2018:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764

... Or 'look all these women are right wing'.

Why did you post in this section OP?

Another study from Sweden:

While extensive research exists on the severe consequences among rape victims, little is known about specific predictors in relation to rape convictions among immigrants to Europe. This study from Sweden (having one of Europe’s highest per capita rates of rape) investigates individuals convicted of rape, aggravated rape, attempted rape, or attempted aggravated rape, collectively termed as rape+, against women 18 years or older, from 2000 to 2020.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605241311611

Eh? Blackstock Road?? I can hand on heart say I’ve never been cat-called there, nor witnessed any. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen, but I’m regularly walking down that road, to my dog groomers and beyond.

I am really racking my brains here. There’s the furniture shop where the man sometimes woodworks on the pavement, the kebab shop workers who stand in the doorway by the breeze on hot days, the pub on the corner maybe? Otherwise I wouldn’t say it’s worse than anywhere else.

I have however been catcalled and SA’d in areas where no one was hanging out in doorways shouting and cat-calling. At the bus stop outside Bounds Green tube was it last time, I bent over to tie my shoelace, he stuck his hand down my top & squeeze my boob. No catcalling or shop doorways required.

Not sure why Blackstock Rd is getting the beef.

You know I hate to be cynical, but I suspect that for quite a few women in the entertainment industry it doesn't hurt that, thanks to recent immigration from Albania, cocaine is a lot cheaper and purer in London than it used to be.

Ugh what pisses me off about all this is that those women won’t ever live or work or play in areas of poverty and high deprivation where this misogynistic worldview plays out. They have no idea what they’re talking about. They’re just more affluent lovies who do these things to stay relevant and ‘right on’. No one gives a shit about working class females. Just ask the victims of grooming gangs.

The Guardian and the Independent usher forward these privileged women to deny there is a problem and to smear women who are concerned as racist and 'far right' to further their agenda.
I should think most of these women have no understanding of what it is like to be a teen girl in a northern town for example.
These papers could report on the attitudes towards women and the culture within the countries where immigrants are coming from to explain how their culture is compatible with ours, but they don't.

I’m “nervous and aware of the values and behaviour of some of the unknown men” in pubs ten minutes from my home. I cross the road if they’re standing around outside at night, drunk and loud, and wouldn’t dream of going in there for a drink at any time of day.

If it’s football season I am even warier. I was in a city renowned for its love of its own football team a while back on a Sunday at 2pm taking detours to avoid huge groups of pissed-up men shouting in the street. There were smashed bottles everywhere. It felt nasty and aggressive and very, very male.

The men arriving on boats are not filling skilled posts in the NHS. And letting overseas doctors apply on an equal basis for specialist training posts has led to thousands expensively trained UK doctors who have spent eight years in training being left unemployed.

This seemed the most relevant place to put the thread?

I'm a very new member of MN so not yet fully aware of all the sub-fora and what should belong where; apologies if that's an error. If MNHQ want to move this thread to another place that's totally fine

Why aren’t we deporting those who do commit rape?

Stats on this please?