Women Against the Far Right - Open Letter

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A collection of prominent women have signed an open letter regarding the far right's consistent, and increasing, 'justification' for their vile behaviour that immigrants represent a sexual threat to women.

It's true that there are some instances of sexual violence committed by migrants, the overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this subject, specifically whether your personal politics regarding migrants are coloured by the degree of threat you feel.
I am aware that there are some people on this board who hold views not wholly compatible with the rest of us, so please remember to be kind, patient, and thoughtful in your responses.

Source Links
Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse
Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/womens-safety-far-right-vawg-government-b2811674.html

Question for @SouthWamses

Stats to show we do? Oh there aren’t any because we don’t.

I think this is pretty likely. The best way to address sexual violence from any subset of men is to clamp down on sexual violence from all men.

Those who think that rates are higher for certain nationalities of men (and it may be) , can you ALSO acknowledge that Farage and Yaxley Lennon don't actually give a shit about women and are just using them to justify racism, as racists have done for centuries? Remember when Elon Musk gave a shit about the victims of Rotherham for about three minutes, then shut up about it when he was repeatedly told about white grooming gangs?

It's men.

How do you come to your assertion then that “thousands” of British trained doctors are not working because the posts are taken by drs trained overseas?

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The op lost any credibility with the failure to comprehend ‘per capita’. I actually laughed out loud with the sentence about the most assault - IN BRITAIN - is being committed by British citizens.
We know the convictions of non-whites is far higher than whites per capita. That’s easily found.
What we don’t know, either way, is whether those convictions are unfairly/discriminatory. But we can’t possibly know that, so all we can surely go off is the actual convictions.
how will anyone ever achieve any safeguarding etc rules if even actual numbers in prisons are dismissed?
having signatures of people who think twaw won’t help your cause, as they are upfront showing everyone they’re misogynists and liars.

Maybe this group of men (asylum seekers, failed asylum seekers, and visa over-stayers) exhibit a higher per capita rate of offending than other men, but their numbers are minuscule compared even to other migrants, let alone British-born men. So keeping them out would have a negligible effect on crime rates.

Asylum seekers are more likely to come from a sexist crime-ridden hellhole than not, I would have thought. If we don't want to take them in on that account, we should leave the Refugee Convention.

Yeah I mean it's a street in London so there's some catcalling and bad behaviour towards women (I used to live on Seven Sisters Road near Finsbury Park tube and used to get a lot of shit when I went out running). But this is spread pretty evenly across the racial and international piece. The issue, always, is men. Where they're from makes little difference AFAI experienced.

Agree.

The problem is men. Men commit the overwhelming majority of all violent and sex crimes.

Regardless of race, regardless of special identity. In fact some of the more outspoken campaigners for trans rights ideology are a really good example of a majority white population holding openly misogynist and sometimes violent views. Or what about the UK men who travel to specific counties because they know they can access vulnerable women and children in a way that is more difficult here. Misogyny is global.

Subjecting populations to the traumas of war and genocide is only likely to exacerbate violence. We cannot imagine what it is like to grow up with that as your reality.

The current system for refugees is one in which we get large groups of men because it's too difficult for women and children. We should be finding a way to help all who need it without huge numbers dying in the process.

Everyone, everyone knows that British men, white or otherwise, commit sexual assaults. Ffs many many women have been sexually assaulted.

Your argument doesn't work because no woman is ignorant that men from all kinds of backgrounds can and do commit sexual assault., even if they think there are certain groups who are over-represented.

They know it is a bollocks argument and it makes you seem disingenuous.

'Far right' is a thought-terminating cliche and should really be ignored.

This is an interesting point, although possibly not in the way the poster intended:
Asylum seekers are more likely to come from a sexist crime-ridden hellhole than not.
Are they then likely not the victims of attitudes in their country of origin but the perpetrators bringing that over here? Meanwhile, women are left behind to suffer.

If anyone claims going around in public in the UK for a woman is the same as going around in public in Egypt, or parts of India, they are ignorant or liars. Sexual assault of women in those settings is common and ubiquitous in a way that is not comparable.

It is certainly true that there are many fewer migrants so they might not be a major factor in any case. However, I also think that to some extent, the issue is not always directly sexual assault. It is attitudes and behaviours that don't quite rise to the level of assault, but are fairly unusual to see openly in a place like the UK, and that there seem to be whole sub communities that these kinds of behaviours are ok.

The worry people have is that attitudes and behaviours that were generally considered inappropriate are now acceptable in some communities, and the question is why would the UK want to add people who think like that to the population. If these same people were going around openly committing more racial crimes or harassing black people, or gay men, or something like that, it would be considered seriously problematic to have let them come in the first place. Somehow attitudes toward women get a pass though.

In every thread like this there are people demanding stats, and the stats are given, and then they go quiet about that part.

We now have a system that will pretty much stop women and children getting asylum thanks to Labour’s changes.

Because it has been clearly reported plus plenty of reports if you know many F2s.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2025-05-07/bma-we-could-potentially-see-thousands-of-unemployed-doctors

"It's true that there are some instances of sexual violence committed by migrants, the overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here."

The problem is, thanks to what was exposed by the Pakistani rapes gang scandal, we don't really know that for certain. Sure, there are statistics that back up what you say, but those statistics are based on publicly available data and reported crime. But we know that crimes haven't been reported specifically to protect certain races from the very criticism that is being raised now because of what was exposed. It's been proven that The far left put the cart so far before the horse in protecting certain groups that for all we know your statement could be very inaccurate.

I stand by the belief that anyone who immigrates here yet continues to live by cultural practices such as female genetal mutilation, honor killings, forced child marriage, a male's right to commit domestic violence, treats women as property (all practices that are Illegal, mind you, in most of the countries they're moving to) doesn't belong in a civilized western society. And I stand by the belief that we exercise heightened caution towards anyone (primarily males) wanting to immigrate from countries where these beliefs and cultural practices are treated as normal and righteous. Call it whatever you want.

I posted some earlier in thread in relation to Germany and to Sweden. Not got any for the U.K yet.

What do you mean by that? That your generally nervous of immigrant men? If so, how do you identify them as that particularly subset? To me you are just saying that your generally more nervous about non-white men and that is racist and unjustifiable.

Remember when Elon Musk gave a shit about the victims of Rotherham for about three minutes, then shut up about it when he was repeatedly told about white grooming gangs?

It's worse than that.

Musk is very publicly enabling a white grooming gang.

He spent millions putting Trump into the White House, a self-confessed sex-offender and long-time close associate of prolific sex-trafficker and paedophile, Jeffrey Epstein. Then Musk fell out with Trump and said he believes Trump is on Epstein's list.

Trump ran for election on a promise of publishing documents revealing all about Epstein's potential co-offenders: he hasn't.

Now Trump has used his position as President of the United States to have a member of Jeffrey Epstein's grooming gang, the convicted procuress and enforcer Ghislaine Maxwell, moved to a minimum security prison, days after she gave a statement saying she did not witness Trump himself in any "inappropriate conduct."

(Though Maxwell did state that members of Trump's current cabinet had associated with Epstein for the purpose of sexual encounters.)

No surprises there: put a close associate of a grooming gang into a position of power, and he will use it to cover up anything he might have been involved in.

And Elon Musk spent lots of time and money putting him there.

Ghislaine Maxwell moved to women's prison in Texas
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czd049y2qymo

Ghislaine Maxwell denies seeing 'inappropriate' conduct by Trump
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd3pe6189go

Ghislaine Maxwell hinted at Epstein’s ties to Trump officials – why wasn’t she pressed for names?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/31/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-trump

'It's a cover up': Musk floods X with posts attacking Trump over Epstein
https://abcnews.go.com/US/cover-musk-floods-posts-attacking-trump-epstein/story?id=123836343

If I lived in Rotherham, I would absolutely be more nervous about every immigrant man I came across. Are you trying to convince me that concern is unjustified?

I'm saying how do you know that they're immigrants? You can't tell that just by looking at someone. Someone can be non-white and in full traditional garb and still be born and bred British. So if you're saying you are generally nervous of non-white men then that is racist.

And here it is in all it's glory folks. A man calling young women who were subjected to the most horrific crimes thinkable racist bc she had no other choice but to be on guard from people who were coordinating together to commit and get away with these acts. These men cut off any and all supports or resources she could access so she would remain open to more and more and more attacks. But if while living in this reality, she thought twice about getting in a cab that was driven by a brown man by herself shes being racist - and being racist is far worse than protecting yourself from rape when you have no other resources or supports. So if rape is the price you have to pay for not being racist it's a price worth paying.

I suppose you tell young lesbians that if they don't suck your girl cock they're genital-obsessed transphobes. And you tell the 14 yo girl who doesn't want her bra measured by a grown man in a dress she's a nazi. And you tell parents who refuse to take children to events where men engage in sexually-charged behavior and expose themselves in public bigots.

This is far-left ideology in a nutshell people. Make people so afraid of being branded morally-reprehensible that you can get away with committing morally-reprehensible acts against them.

Yes, if I was a 14 you girl living Rotherham I would absolutely judge the people around me by the color of their skin. And if you're biggest concern about thay is that I'm being racist, then you're a morally-reprehensible gang rape-apologist.

And here it is in all it's glory folks. A man calling young women who were subjected to the most horrific crimes thinkable racist bc she had no other choice but to be on guard from people who were coordinating together to commit and get away with these acts. These men cut off any and all supports or resources she could access so she would remain open to more and more and more attacks. But if while living in this reality, she thought twice about getting in a cab that was driven by a brown man by herself shes being racist - and being racist is far worse than protecting yourself from rape when you have no other resources or supports. So if rape is the price you have to pay for not being racist it's a price worth paying.

I suppose you tell young lesbians that if they don't suck your girl cock they're genital-obsessed transphobes. And you tell the 14 yo girl who doesn't want her bra measured by a grown man in a dress she's a nazi. And you tell parents who refuse to take children to events where men engage in sexually-charged behavior and expose themselves in public bigots.

This is far-left ideology in a nutshell people. Make people so afraid of being branded morally-reprehensible that you can get away with committing morally-reprehensible acts against them.

Yes, if I was a 14 you girl living Rotherham I would absolutely judge the people around me by the color of their skin. And if you're biggest concern about thay is that I'm being racist, then you're a morally-reprehensible gang rape-apologist.

I hate that I have a friend who has been sexually harassed by foreign men but has not been able to talk about without the fear of being labelled a racist. I hate that we live in a culture where we only listen to some experiences but not all because they’re deemed politically incorrect. We need open discourse.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

It took as long as it did to get the grooming gangs into the public domain because lots of people were willing to accept that this was just a BNP and Tommy Robinson talking point, and there was nothing to see here.

I honestly think many of the same people would have found another reason to turn a blind eye if Nick Griffin or Tommy Robinson had never existed.