Women Against the Far Right - Open Letter

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A collection of prominent women have signed an open letter regarding the far right's consistent, and increasing, 'justification' for their vile behaviour that immigrants represent a sexual threat to women.

It's true that there are some instances of sexual violence committed by migrants, the overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this subject, specifically whether your personal politics regarding migrants are coloured by the degree of threat you feel.
I am aware that there are some people on this board who hold views not wholly compatible with the rest of us, so please remember to be kind, patient, and thoughtful in your responses.

Source Links
Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse
Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/womens-safety-far-right-vawg-government-b2811674.html

Yes we do. All asylum seekers are identity and background checked.

Er, Ireland and Northern Ireland is a land border? We have always had border controls?

Maybe look at a map of the country and do a bit of research before lobbing asinine comments?

You have lost all credibility by implying that British and white are synonymous.

Well let’s just deny entry to all men then, since we know that over 98% rape perpetrators are men. Then we can prevent rapes from all men coming into the country.

Because the likelihood of rape based on flawed statistics is of course the only thing we should consider when assessing who to let in.

Yes, if I was a 14 you girl living Rotherham I would absolutely judge the people around me by the color of their skin. And if you're biggest concern about thay is that I'm being racist, then you're a morally-reprehensible gang rape-apologist.

🥴 ZanyFatBall would you happen to be from the Deep South? Your view that not judging people by the ‘color of their skin’ means you are a ‘gang rape apologist’ is very Coo Clucks Can.

specifically whether your personal politics regarding migrants are coloured by the degree of threat you feel.

Regarding migrants as a whole it probably represents perhaps 50% my feelings for disagreeing with legal mass migration. Not sexual threat specifically, but all threat. Crime, terrorism, cultural change etc. The other 50% is to do with resource, services, sustainability, economics, democracy etc.

Regarding asylum seekers it probably is much higher. Perhaps 90%. Mainly due to them being unvetted, undocumented, housed in large groups of males, and that even if we do want to deport them if they commit crime. Well we often can’t. So they are a heightened risk in the early years due to the housing and social situation they live in; plus a long term risk in that we can’t really get rid of them if they do turn out to be wronguns.

Why don't these prominent UK women put their money where their mouth is and buy and open hotels or HMOs for asylum seekers near where they live? Probably make a profit. Don't forget to walk around at night near them to show us all how safe they are!

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This is pretty much their argument, when you break it down 😭

Here, here.

I'd also suggest @arethereanyleftatall didn't do themselves any favours by making the myopic statement "The op lost any credibility with the failure to comprehend ‘per capita’". I don't think I mentioned 'per capita' in the slightest, much less "failed to comprehend" it.
My assumption is @arethereanyleftatall's reading age isn't quite on par with ours, so I think we can safely treat their post accordingly.

"This thread has really allowed the racists amongst the MN community to show their true colours"

I absolutely agree with you, but I still maintain it's important to hear their views.
I think one of the driving reasons that we have such a hideous class divide in this country is because those who espouse views we might think of as racist feel their concerns are being ignored and/or dismissed.

Where I think it becomes a problem is when this impotent frustration spills over into overt racism and the ugly, aggressive "stop the boats" and "send them all back" rhetoric that comes with it.

My personal view on this letter is that it's laudable. That's not necessarily the same thing as effective, of course, but Lord knows that with 'protests' designed to intimidate and frighten migrants and rather disadvantaged people spray painting roundabouts in the fevered hope people will give way to the right (pun very much intended), the side of sanity needs more of these outspoken gestures.

We do know that because women know what happens when they are raped and report it. Usually nothing

The reality is that you should feel more unsafe around the men you know than the men you dont. The men you welcome into your home are more likely to abuse your children than any migrant you do not know. So remember that around your husband, your brothers, your father... its them most likely to touch your children inappropriately and groom them. Not some man in a hotel down the road. The men you chose to be in their lives.

No they really don't because many people victim blame. They don't believe that all these women are really raped by their white and/or British boyfriends, especially those from two parent families and nice homes. They don't believe their husbands and sons are doing anything like this and will lose everything to defend them in court if they have to. They often win.

So a doctor complaining about the UK taking specialist candidates from abroad is going abroad to take a specialist candidate position from another country? Not ironic at all.

Could it be that the British candidates aren't good enough? I've definitely heard clinical staff say that medical students just aren't as on the ball as they used to be when it comes to actually working with patients. Give them exam questions and they do fine, real life stuff? Not so much.

What sort of cultural change? You won't be able to eat a roast on a Sunday?

Absolutely this!

Hmm the idea of ignoring other women who disagree with my views doesnt sit well with me. It seems very ethnocentric and encourages people to think that all women are a monolith and therefore all men are too. I don't agree that TWAW but I don't think the opinions of women who do are inferior to me or count less as women. That's a pretty vile.

What indigenous ethnic group? The post referred to talked about avoiding contact with immigrant men due to safety concerns. When of course the poster actually meant non-white people, regardless of whether they are immigrants or not.

My personal politics are certainly coloured by the threats I feel - I regard Farage as a far worse threat than a few asylum seekers. So I hoped I'd be able to support this letter. I cant. It's bilge to claim that the problem is all men and not recognise that some cultures have a far worse attitude to women than others. If we welcome men from those countries - whether illegally or legally - we have a duty to teach them better attitudes. That is not happening in any significant way.

All the stuff about adjusting statistics for their age, trauma and whatever other excuse you can dream up is bullshit. The government wont collect accurate statistics because it knows it would not like the answer. But the lack of an answer means the problem is quite possibly being exaggerated.

How high minded of you @Ihavetoask

Do you think the opinions of women who have concerns about immigration or grooming gangs are “inferior to you” and shouldn’t be listened to? You’re not coming across like you actually empathise with many of the women on this thread, whether their concerns are misplaced or not.

I’m pretty sure you’ve dismissed their views, as much as they’ve dismissed the views of a few pampered, out of touch celebrities/MPs and their “open letter”. Do you think the actual “far right” are interested in what they think? Or are they actually just smearing ordinary people as “far right” for perfectly commonplace opinions about the limits of immigration?

The constant reference to not being able to identify Brits by their colour. Posters don’t mean some immigrants are white; they are denying there is an indigenous ethnic population in the UK which is as racist as denying any other ethnic group exists. It is like saying there are no indigenous American tribes because other races have moved to America and intermarried with them.

Errrrr. No. I have no issue with people expressing their views and I don't think it negates or supports their identity as women in any way. It's just people thinking things. I may strongly disagree with the view and think it is totally inaccurate, but it doesn't make the speaker an inferior woman or a suspicious woman.

You can’t identify Brits by their colour. A significant proportion of Brits are non-white. Similarly a significant proportion of non-British residents are white. A British ethnocultural group doesn’t exist - there are English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish ethnic groups, but ‘British’ is a 300 year old political accommodation and nothing more.

The reality is that you should feel more unsafe around the men you know than the men you dont

We all know parents are the most likely to kill their children. But that doesn’t mean we should totally ignore murders by unrelated adults!

IIRC 90% of children are killed by their own parents/stepparents. By your logic, should
we stop teaching ‘stranger danger’? Should schools stop safeguarding since most kids are killed and/or abused by their parents anyway?

Of course not.