Women Against the Far Right - Open Letter

[ThisChicPinkRaven]

A collection of prominent women have signed an open letter regarding the far right's consistent, and increasing, 'justification' for their vile behaviour that immigrants represent a sexual threat to women.

It's true that there are some instances of sexual violence committed by migrants, the overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this subject, specifically whether your personal politics regarding migrants are coloured by the degree of threat you feel.
I am aware that there are some people on this board who hold views not wholly compatible with the rest of us, so please remember to be kind, patient, and thoughtful in your responses.

Source Links
Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse
Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/womens-safety-far-right-vawg-government-b2811674.html

What does the "far-right" even mean now?

I can't believe people still use that term with a straight face now, because it is now the most overused term of the past year.

If you want an answer to that, Google Cyril Smith former MP for Rochdale - widely known locally that he was abusing boys along with his brother and friends, and that was in the 60's/70's. Even the far overdue investigation was a whitewash.

Wow, lots of assumptions about me there that I'm not going to dignify with a response. Just a quiet giggle.
All I'm trying to say is that whatever is going on is no fault at all of the innocent hard working Brits who just happen to be born with not white skin. British people who are getting abuse and violence because people are making assumptions about them because of their skin. I don't think it's wrong to say remember what they are going through.

Let's settle this once and for all bc it is glaringly obvious that OP is a man and what he is trying to accomplish with his post.

I am a mother to a teen daughter. Since I am a woman, I have a real understanding of how to navigate the world from a woman's perspective due solely from lived experience. And here's what I tell my daughter.

If you're walking down the street and someone is walking near you, I don't care what they look like, what sex they are, what color they are, what "identity" they are etc. If your gut is telling you you might be in danger, cross the street. It doesn't matter what it makes the other person feel or if you come across this way or that. It doesn't matter if the reason is how they look or their color or size or sex etc. You know why? Because if you're wrong you can always apologize later. And if that person is a decent and kind person, they too will understand why you crossed the street and not judge you for it. But if your gut is right, and you don't cross the street bc you're more concerned about their feelings than your safety, you won't get the chance to apologize.

But see people like OP are part of the concerted effort to make women feel that the threat of being assaulted, raped, kidnapped, or murdered is a worse thing than the possibility of hurting someone else's feelings. So he comes here and posts things like this calling us all racists to try and get us to question what every woman understands to be trusted safety protocols to manipulate us into loosening them, leaving us more exposed to the very nefarious behavior he and his ilk wish to perpetrate against us.

So let's not even entertain this by defending ourselves against his manipulative accusations. Because if he were a real woman (or even a decent man for that matter) he would actually understand.

the overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here

When I hear such ridiculous arguments it makes me wonder if those making them have no actual data on their side so they have to resort to such nonsense. Of course in any country most crimes are committed by nationals, as most of the population are nationals of the country. Duh.

I don't know what the statistics are, but being as we do know that culture has a powerful influence on human behaviour, one would absolutely expect there to be some cultures from which men are more likely to offend against women, and cultures from which men are less likely to offend against women. If this is a controversial thing to say this is due to political reasons, rather than rational reasons.

It should also surprise no-one that moving large numbers of unemployed young men into a population is going to cause a range of problems. Again, it should not be controversial to say so.

If people have sound, coherent reasons to raise concerns, or if people have data to back their concerns, they should be heard out.

' Most sexual assaults are committed by UK nationals' is neither a sound, coherent argument nor a data based one. It is a piece of political, ideological propaganda.

I wouldn't argue with anything you just said. If I had a daughter I'd give them exactly the same advice. All I'm saying is that when British people, men and women, are getting openly told in their faces to go back where they came from on the nearest rubber dinghy, that it's got to factor into the conversation.

Data data data
but the left call the data wracist

Also, a detail from the Guardian article that may have been missed:

The letter, which has been coordinated by Stand up to Racism

These MPs and celebrities are more than happy to put their names to an appeal by a front organisation of the Socialist Workers Party, which has actively covered up the rape of its own young female members by party leaders. As I often say, it's a bit like celebrities endorsing, and unions funding, an "anti-racism" campaign led by PIE.

But hey, at least they aren't "right wing".

There seems to be a presumption that there's this nasty giant pool of extremely far right people looking for excuses to be mean to people. All hiding like monsters under the bed ready to pounce on oppressed minorities.
It seems inconcievable to some people that a population can be pushed from the centre, or even a non politcal position, towards the right because the concerns they have are being ignored or actively supressed. In these situations the emergence of a "right wing" is the result of constantly mistreating an otherwise not very political centrist society. Normal people who just want to live their lives in peace and be left alone. Not murdered or raped. If you call someone a facist enough times you will literally push them towards fascism because they are so pissed off with you calling them a fascist every two seconds to try and brow beat them.
The further a pendulum is pulled to one side the more it will swing back in the other direction when it is finally released. We are seeing this in the USA right now. Trump is not a secret doom weapon built by far right nazi rocket scientists working underground, he's the direct result of far left policies causing a population to want to push back against the problems they see in society caused by far left policies. Men in women's sports and changing rooms is a prime example. The left built Trump's support not the right. You created and breathed life into your own boogeyman, and now he's coming for you. Farage is exactly the same. He is a figurative monster of the left's own creation, built by virtue signalling idiots. Without the left being useful idiots we wouldn't know Farage's name.
In blaming the right for society's problems, you are putting the cart before the horse. The right grows when society's problems are not addressed because of the left. When there are no societal issues there is no right. Everyone is just getting on living their lives, effectively centrists. Keep pushing that pendulum further and further to the left and see what happens when it slips from your grip, things will get very interesting very quickly.

Anyone who had done a proper survey of opinion re the EU, and done it anywhere outside London would have realised that an exit vote was highly probable. I live in the Midlands. Of my social circle and the circles attached to it, only 2 people voted to remain in the EU.
Blame Russia if you like. I'd rather blame the EU for being undemocratic and for not being simply a trade organisation.
Being grammarnut I would like to point out to you that if you hypenated 'in work' your sentence would make sense. 😃

Well then blame the police force that stood by and did nothing while young girls were repeatedly and systematically being gang raped bc the police were too afraid of being branded - BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU - racist. You are literally increasing the problem, not us.

Don't you mean hyphenated?
None of my friends or family, apart from my in-laws, voted leave and I live in what was a Tory stronghold til last year, in the north of England. There was less than 4% difference in the result. We'd have had far more informed voting if Cameron hadn't had such a big ego. In Ireland for the peace process, there were leaflets printed with factual information sent out to all households. They'd vote on that subject then they'd have another leaflet and then another vote.... Not the shit show we had for such an important decision. And it isn't my opinion that Russia interfered in the vote, it was shown in a report commissioned by the Tories.
That's so funny you think the EU is undemocratic, what do you think First Past the Post is in the UK? We were a big player in the EU and had a lot of input in to the human rights policies amongst others. Now we're on the sidelines having our businesses drown in red tape and a lorry park in Kent. But hey ho it was worth it for black/blue passports (printed in France) wasn't it.

Sorry haven't read the thread so not sure this has been mentioned.

And not my business who other women want to associate with.

But this letter is organised by Stand Up to Racism, ie part of the SWP.

And given the SWP record on women's rights let alone not be subjected to sexual harrassment and worse, its hypercritical bullshit.

And a shame that many women with "names" are so easy to get to make pronouncements I am sure with sincerety but all too often means a lot of people just turn off.

https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/e8071ba8ff4cd376d0b94b0246ff83acb7b117df

Equally disappointing is the fact that women service providers groups (ie VAW groups) had not been able to act together autonomously and make a statement about the anti asylum message of "protecting our girls" tagged themselve along with the usual group of left male organisastions.

In NI when there were similar mis labelling of male sexual violence only being something men from other countries did, but as women groups they maintained their autonomy and built on spreading the word about their services.

ie they created independent statements referencing sexual violence against women and how most women will experience this from men in their own families, or who they work with. So not only did they put out a strong message about male violence, but reached out to the women who are caught up in this message about the outsider being the threat, which lets the majority male population able to as usual not be challenged about their behaviour.

Basically neither the right or the left are really concerned about women's right to live free of the fear of male violence, for them it is just a platform to prate from. And virtue signal each other.

Even if the letter hadn't been organised by literal rape enablers, these things rarely have any effect.

I mean if there were a hotel full of young Afghan men just down the street from your daughter's school, and you're worried about her safety, you're not going to stop being worried about her safety because Charlotte Church or Maxine Peake tells you that your worries are sinful.

Some bits of the left have a very feudal idea that we'll all be morally improved by our social betters telling us what to think.

I find it strange that whenever there is a case of sexual assault (the cases that get reported) by someone living in the migrant hotel there is a chorus of "but white British men do it too", but when discussing Jimmy Savile et al we don't get people saying "but migrant men do it too".

The crimes committed from residents of the migrant hotels are downplayed. It also downplays the responsibility of the home office and Serco who should be keeping close tabs on the residents and making sure that they are going out committing crime.

If those protesters heard about a white British paedophile living near a school (legally that shouldn't happen) they wouldn't go round there with gifts.

It’s a bit bizarre to bring up the gangs in Rochdale like they weren’t being concealed and ignored by authorities for years.

I find your phrase literal rape enablers abhorrent. The women signing the letter have not enabled rapists, and you’re saying immigrants are rapists. Just…..wow.

This thread has really allowed the racists amongst the MN community to show their true colours. Pun absolutely intended.

It was organised by the Socialist Workers Party, wearing their "Stand Up To Racism" hat. So yes, the letter was organised by literal rape enablers.

Some of the women who signed won't be aware of their record and just want to express a pro-migrant position; some, I know for certain, know exactly who was asking them to sign the letter. I'm not interested in publicly shaming them.

But the phrase was aimed at the organisers. Do you have a problem with me mentioning the SWP protecting the rapist Martin Smith, who ran SUTR and still has influence in that world? Do you think this might be relevant to the credibility of this open letter?

Correction to my own post above, re:
(Though Maxwell did state that members of Trump's current cabinet had associated with Epstein for the purpose of sexual encounters.)

Sorry, I misread the article and got that bit wrong.

Maxwell was asked about whether men associated with Epstein for the purposes of sexual encounters.

I've now found what purports to be the redacted transcript of the interview, and she doesn't claim men were associating with Epstein for sex.

She's very evasive and deflecting about it: "A man wants sexual favors, he will find that. They didn't have to come to Epstein for that. Now did some … Okay, I don't know. I wasn't there. I didn't see it."

And she describes "very substantial people" and mentions something about "some [inaudible 01:52:15] in your cabinet who you value as your co-workers"
https://www.rev.com/transcripts/doj-interview-with-ghislaine-maxwell-day-2

It certainly was like that a few years ago. Men in groups hissing and calling out - I stopped walking down there. I heard the police clamped down on them?

Out of interest how do you tell the difference between immigrant men and British-born men?

Ugh, quote fail.

Oh look, another racist looking to deny the existence of a whole indigenous ethnic group. The BBC would be proud.

@ThisChicPinkRaven

Background: I question anything The Guardian says because of its pro-trans stance (like the BBC).

I used to be an old-school Tory. I ceased to be a Tory after Brexit and when the moderates got sacked by the cunt Boris. Farage can go fuck himself, also, obviously.

I'm not impressed with Starmer/Labour. I don't like any of them, really.

Greens are captured by trans

My local council is Labour and is awful, useless, and corrupt.

So - immigrants and what do I think?

Well, I know that some stats say immigrants benefit the economy. I can see that could be true, especially when the birthrate is decreasing.

In truth, I don't want lots of uneducated (not doctors etc) male immigrants who come with a culture of misogyny.