Why don't trans women care if women feel unsafe?

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I listened to the Stephen Nolan show earlier on BBC Sounds. They were discussing the FA ban on male players in the female category. A lady from SEEN in Sport was on and was great.

Then there were two transwomen on (one who is involved with Mermaids). There was lots of talk about their feelings and some quite infuriating twisting of scientific fact (women come in all shapes and sizes, so transwomen have no advantage). But one thing that came up several times was how they didn't feel safe using male facilities. Stephen Nolan did the faux naive thing quite effectively and tried to turn it around to get them to consider other people's viewpoints, unsuccessfully. It was back to their feelings again. The levels of entitlement was quite astonishing.

Why don't they ever consider women who feel unsafe sharing spaces with males? Is it because these women are just bigots that need to be re-educated and reframe their trauma?

Dysphoria is by definition a mental health issue. The prefix DYS - is suggestive of that.

We all have have responsbilty for our own actions and decisions, and you have responsibility for your encouragement of your nephew in his belief he is a woman. Because this is not true, and he will have a life time ahead of him gradually having to come to terms with any drastic measures, including surgeries, he undertakes in pursuit of this false belief.

'Solve the issue then'

Yes, hop to it service humans! As well as being human shields, support humans, everyone's mummy, non character players, best get on with solving a problem with male toilets. It's what we're here for after all - chop chop!

(I mean, why do you see this as an issue for women to solve?. Really. Particularly given that anyone saying 'what about 3rd spaces?' over the last 15 years as been shouted down as a dirty transphobe)

It’s not for women to sort out the problems caused by men and handmaidens.

To quote a couple of TRAs, if Transwomen don’t want want to share with other men they can stay at home and reframe their trauma.

If he is claiming dysphoria then it is. That's what dysphoria is.

If he's not claiming dysphoria then why is he feeling the need to do it?

There seems to be gap in thinking going on here.

He's not female. He can't be female. It's not fair on females to force them to pretend he is.

And yet trans men who are male-passing (and presumably view themselves as male in the same way) have no issue with understanding that their presence in female spaces might frighten women. And, in my personal experience, go quite a long way to either use other facilities or make it clear that they are biologically female in order to not frighten people.

Interesting difference there…..

Every "trans" person by the very definition has a mental illness whether it is body dysmorphia, Autogynephilia, internalised homophobia or whatever. If they didn't have a mental illness they wouldn't have the delusion that they are living in the wrong sexed body or that they can change sex.

How dysfunctional families interact with each other is not a bases for how society can work. These families need to recognise what works for them can not be imposed on society.

If a family create and encourages members to act in anti socials ways, they need to prepare themselves for the fact that the onus is on them to find solutions to the problem they will come up against, not everyone else.

Society sometimes creates single sex spaces for very good reasons, and individuals cannot decide that they do not need to follow these rules. And it is dysfunctional for families to think otherwise.

Oh they do care. Very much. I've accidentally seen pics of transwomen exposing themselves in the ladies and crowing about it.

That comedian who plonked his plonker on the piano on TV - he knew what effect flashing has on women.

It is a male control move over people who they don't see as quite ... people. Not really human.

As to to the OPs question… Because they are selfish men.

Exactly. It suits them for women to feel unsafe. Scared people are easier to control which is why this entire movement has the intimidation of women at its core.

I want to say, very gently, that some of the people on here are responsible for (as in are parents of) children who identify as trans. And these parents also have immense love for their children. But they also know that loving a child sometimes means you don’t let them do everything they want to. Do you let your toddler have ice cream and nothing but ice cream for every meal? Do you say to your anorexic daughter, yes, you are definitely fat and I will help you to eat even less than you are eating? Sometimes love means helping a child come to terms with reality, no matter how much they hate it and wish to identify out of that reality. So please, do not think that everyone on here hates all trans identifying people. Some of us love them beyond measure.

Quite 👏

Solve the issue then

The issue has been solved. The SC just confirmed it never should even have been an issue. Men who claim to be trans use the facilities for their sex, as they always should have done.

It is interesting that even that comment

'solve the issue then' is framed as a demand.

Everything is a demand.

Exactly!

Ironically, women did get together and solve our problem by fighting bloody hard for pretty much all of the rights we have been afforded up to this point. Why should we have to fight for trans identified males too? They can fight for their own solutions.

Yes.. let them sort out their own solutions, but not at the expense of our rights.

Absolutely. They should build their own stuff like we had to.

If there is an issue It is not our issue to solve, we didn't cause it, we are not responsible for it and we are not the solution to it.

If transwomen, who are by definition men, are not welcome in men's loos, of which there is no evidence that they are not, that is up to the men involved to solve.

Why does it makes some fools feel so smug and superior to have a tiny, vulnerable population to demonize and pick on?

I wouldn't actually call the male population "tiny" or "vulnerable".

The men who say they're women aren't vulnerable, either. They're the most vocal and aggressive of the lot.

Of course they have a right to use toilets.

There are toilets for male and female people and everyone is one or the other. Why can your nephew not use the toilets that have been specifically designated for people of his own sex?

You're not making some big statement about your gender identity when you use one loo rather than another. You're just using a loo. There's absolutely no logic for toilets to be segregated according to gender identity, which is something most people don't even have in any meaningful sense. There is plenty of logic for them being segregated according to sex.

People who identify as non binary have to use toilets which they believe "don't match" their gender identity. I daresay most of them are using the toilets which match their sex. So why can't trans people do likewise?

There are two interesting things here in your post.

Firstly, you still refer to your nephew as your nephew, despite the fact that he apparently identifies as a woman. If you know and love him and believe he is no danger to anyone and yet you still don't believe he is a woman, how can you expect the rest of us to?

Secondly, you say it's not a mental illness. Why do you think this? It's not a physical illness. Prior to receiving any kind of "treatment", trans people's bodies are perfectly ordinary and as healthy as anyone else's. Their dysphoria (if they have dysphoria) is a feeling in their head. A feeling which apparently makes them so miserable that they want to change everything about who they are, even to the point of having irreversible medical interventions which harm their physical health but may allow them to superficially resemble a member of the opposite sex. How is that not a mental illness?

I think it very much is a mental illness, and I cannot think of any other example of where we harm the physical body to try to make it "match" what is going on in the person's brain, rather than attempting to actually treat the mental illness.

Personally I think it cannot be beyond the wit of the pharmaceutical industry to invent a drug similar to an antidepressant which alleviates the symptoms of gender dysphoria and allows someone to live more comfortably as the sex they actually are. But there wouldn't be as much money in that, would there? Why would they do that when they can sell that person a lifetime's supply of cross sex hormones, plus all the other drugs they are likely to need as a result of any surgeries they have?

This is basically a global racket by the for-profit medical industry. A lot of people are getting very rich off the back of vulnerable people like your nephew. They do not care how much harm they do, and they will not stop until the medical malpractice lawsuits start to pile up and insurers stop providing coverage for this sort of "care".

Anyway, I have digressed.

However sad and vulnerable your nephew is, his needs don't trump those of women and girls.

There is no reason why he can't use men's toilets.

Saw this mentioned on Twitter and thought 'no, no-one can be that awful' but no, this is on Sally Hines' actual Twitter account.

This is the kind of shit that the 'be kinders' seem to think is acceptable.

Could you imagine the cries of transphobia if a similar suggestion had been made but for tw in the gents?

Such lovely people.

Lol, how can you have heard of Sally Hines and still think no one can be that awful?

Yes. And this is the problem. This issue is no longer about a minority of men with genuine gender dysphoria. And some predators have seen, and have started using a loophole to enable their fetishes. It has become enabled by popular culture to the extent that nobody is allowed to question any of this.