Why don't trans women care if women feel unsafe?

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I listened to the Stephen Nolan show earlier on BBC Sounds. They were discussing the FA ban on male players in the female category. A lady from SEEN in Sport was on and was great.

Then there were two transwomen on (one who is involved with Mermaids). There was lots of talk about their feelings and some quite infuriating twisting of scientific fact (women come in all shapes and sizes, so transwomen have no advantage). But one thing that came up several times was how they didn't feel safe using male facilities. Stephen Nolan did the faux naive thing quite effectively and tried to turn it around to get them to consider other people's viewpoints, unsuccessfully. It was back to their feelings again. The levels of entitlement was quite astonishing.

Why don't they ever consider women who feel unsafe sharing spaces with males? Is it because these women are just bigots that need to be re-educated and reframe their trauma?

Try harder. Wrong continent. Different laws. Different toilets. Typical response of no answer to the question followed by a demand to produce evidence of why men should not be in women’s spaces.

Do your own research, it won’t take long to find the answer. All transgender women are male. Every single one. Or they wouldn’t be TRANS.

If most toilets are gender neutral, the scenarios on r/transgenderUK are bemusing. Lots of chit chat about being welcomed and refused entry into single sex toilets.

Excellent, maybe you can answer this question that no one seems to be able to answer?

What is the difference between a male person who has had their penis and testicles removed because of injury and disease and one who has had extreme body modification to fit their own personal philosophical belief about themselves?

Why is one to be accepted into female single sex spaces and the other not?

And here is another question:

What makes a 'transgender woman' not a male person?

Because you seem to be spreading misinformation with that statement. So, please clarify exactly how they are not a male person.

Here is another question:

How many female people being harmed in any way in a female single sex space is acceptable to you before you, personally, would support female single sex spaces remaining single sex? 1? Well, that has already well and truly past. 5? That too. 50? 100? We had someone answer 100 female people per year are acceptable to be come to harm before female single sex spaces should exclude all male people, of any gender identity, again. What do you think?

Mine is zero by the way. That is my number. Even one additional female person harmed by allowing male people over the age of about 8 years old access to any female single sex space is too many.

A podcast I was listening to recently described people as "fleeing back to the comfort of obedience".

I think that rather suits the situation here too.

@MAFSsaddict It doesn't matter if not every trans identified male is planning to harm women, they are all for the most part immediately identifiable as men regardless as how they present and for more women than I care to admit that would be traumatising and would drive them out of their own spaces.

Its an insult to women to think that if men "read as femme" they should be taken as women or its bigotry. A man in a dress, in a wig, in make up, in heels, a man who has had surgery and cross sex hormones is still a man. Allowing delusional men into women's spaces degrades women's privacy, dignity and rights. It isn't our problem they trans themselves, we don't exist to protect these men from other men or to validate them.

Women don't require single sex spaces because of some cultural notion of "womanhood" we don't need them due to the fact we may be pretty or have long hair or wear a skirt or tights. We need them because as biological females we have certain vulnerabilities and capabilities that trans identified males do not share in at all, nor do they have any concept of them.

Transwomen as men need to start using their own male spaces and leave real women in peace. They should expand what it means to be male and find self acceptance as the men they are and will always be instead of constantly invading where they are not wanted and trying to be what they can never be. If they refuse to accept this and insist on ignoring women's demand and they law then they are clearly not decent people and they are displaying predatory behaviour.

Transwomen don’t care if women feel safe because transwomen are not women - and deep down they know it.

Just reposting this in case people want to understand that male people at any stage of transition do not lose their male pattern of committing crime.

Just In case anyone is interested in facts rather than emotionally manipulative denial.

It's funny just how many of the scolders have the same tell.

The response is still bog off.

Oh wait. Do you know what a bog is?

Maybe we should have a separate thread for toilet jokes so we can trot them all out every time we get one of these?

Irrelevant what he selfishly 'wishes', it's not all about him - he is a male. It is not kindness or empathy to actual females to have a MALE in our spaces. It's selfish, narcissistic, Male Entitlement and cruel.

And the vast overwhelming majority go through no process at all. Only around 8% of transwomen even have any surgery. It is, for all intents and purposes, a male with penis and testicles in a dress. It's self ID. And we say no to any male being in our spaces.

It's not all about him and your 'happiness'. It's about females happiness, OUR safety, OUR privacy, OUR dignity.

Do you even know what a transwoman is? It's a male. A male with penis and testicles. In a dress. Of course women are afraid of males in our spaces. Whether they be in a dress, or in a suit and tie. There are transwomen in jail right now for raping women in these spaces.

And no, a fully intact male in a dress is NOT more likely to feel afraid of other males, than women are likely to feel afraid of that fully intact male.

trans toilet would be a compromise.

It would be. We've advocated for this for YEARS!! They say no. They say it 'others' them. They say it's female toilets or nothing. So it's a stalemate. So what do we do? A trans toilet they say 'outs' them. And it doesn't validate them as women. It's the women in that female only facility that validate their identity. If there is no women there, what's the point? They want women around them. It's the women in the female facility, not the facility itself.

Don't you think we haven't tried advocating for third/trans spaces??? They say no compromise, and no debate. This is on them. Not on us.

Several. Several reports. Many are in jail for rape or assault.

HOW MANY attacks do you need, to validate females having our human rights to spaces?

And sorry, but they remain male. Their biological sex is male. They have male DNA and male chromosomes. A de-nutted male dog is still a male dog. I can't believe you are this biologically illiterate @MAFSsaddict , that you actually think a person born male can change their DNA and chromosomes.

Why does it makes some fools feel so smug and superior to have a tiny, vulnerable population to demonize and pick on?

What about the rapists who begin publically identifying as female to “justify” their behaviour and have a safer life in a female prison with free access to vulnerable prey? The women in there have no safe spaces.

Why do you feel MALES are a 'tiny vulnerable population'? They are the foxes, the oppressor sex class. The danger. That doesn't change if that fox is in a dress or in a suit and tie. And that it's nice to be so smug and superior to have vulnerable women and girls, the oppressed sex class, put in danger?

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And let’s be clear - there is no evidence that the fox is being picked on by other foxes.

There is plenty of evidence that foxes destroy chickens

This ‘excluded’ fox is looking for excuses to be put in with the chickens for his own nefarious purposes - not as the only safe place away from other foxes… being with other foxes is not and has never been an issue…

That statement may have worked 20 years ago but not now. Trans ideology has exposed to the world how misogynistic and harmful this movement is towards women and girls. We fight to protect women and children's rights.

And you’re fine and dandy with men in women’s prisons, are you??

It always come back to language and the c*lt mantra “trans women are women”

We must reject this idea entirely & robustly - of course transwomen are men!