Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

[AYoungTransWoman]

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

I'm sorry but you are not a woman and never will be. You have no right to women-only spaces, nor to demand anyone recognises you as a woman in terms of pronouns or anything else. You do not get to control other people's language and thoughts.

I'm sorry you feel as you do but you need to find a way to feel comfortable as a male, rather than trying to force your way into a place that is not yours.

No-one wants trans people not to exist, you can call yourself whatever name you like, date who you want, dress how you want. But you cannot change sex and "gender identity" is bullshit.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

You make it sound as if legally changing your sex is a prize for commitment to the cause! This is a profoundly damaging concept for women. I wish you well for the future - hopefully a future in which we can respect each other without forcing others to believe or pretend to believe that gender overrides sex.

OP I don’t think you’ve come to the right place to get any validation or reassurance. I’m
concerned for you reading some of these replies. There’s room for you in my feminism. Best of luck to you.

It just feels wrong, I don't really know how to explain that feeling. There's just a part of me that will not let me. It's probably mainly gender Dysphoria and a little bit of fear.

You don't get to give up my right to single sex spaces away from men, and the OP is one, just because you've drunk the kool aid.

I spent most of my childhood miserable and hating my male sex characteristics.

Have you managed to overcome your hatred? Or is it still there?

It's really sad that hatred is such a motivator here. Give yourself, and others, acceptance and compassion.

Easier said by a stranger online than done - sure. But I'm sad that this isn't being given as an option for you.
A life fuelled by hate can't be a completely happy life.

How about using a gender neutral space? Maybe that is something you could campaign for?

I agree.

The OP should be concerned that they may have been given very poor advice and poor treatment options. But that they now believe was right for them when it is actually not a healthy long term solution and never was.

Theres is a degree of narcissism that goes along with a person needing others to act as if they belief the person is the opposite sex. The NHS has effectively encouraged this, I believe. And I have not seen any evidence to show otherwise.

Here we have an OP expressing fear of having to accept that they haven’t changed sex and that society will not continue to allow that OP to expect that belief compliance. Are we to believe that this is a success case out of the NHS?

Oh, and as someone above posted - please look at detransitioner stories/things that have gone badly wrong with surgery, before you butcher yourself.

The only way you can be a transwoman is by being a man. I can't be one.

Lots of people say it "feels wrong" to share spaces with certain groups of people with no fact-based explanation.

We tend to try and educate them about diversity.

So your discomfort is to be prioritised above female people’s needs then?

And you are wanting women on MN to tell you that is acceptable? That is remarkable really.

I want you to have a happy and fulfilling future where you feel comfortable expressing yourself - wear what you like, enjoy what you like and call yourself what you like. At the same time, I believe that self-expression has limits when it comes to overriding biological reality, expecting others to affirm something they don’t believe, or encroaching on spaces and opportunities designated for women.

Essentially, you do you, but not at the expense of others.

Anything so long as you accept your biological sex you were born with re changing areas /WC's etc.

Women's spaces do not exist as a refuge for men - and you are a man - who are "afraid" to use men's facilities. Stay out.

Yeah. I don't mind being referred to as that. Nor do I mind third spaces.

Ridiculous and thank goodness the winds are changing. Born biologically male you aren't allowed in female only spaces end off.

I share your perspective mswales. ❤

I wish all young people could have a future free of labels, stereotypes, body anxiety, pronouns and gender identities.

You can't control your sex*, but you can control your personality and your approach to life.

*OP, as a male you will always need to be mindful of prostate cancer, especially if your father and uncles have had it. Cancer is reality-based and does not give a shit about your pronouns.

They are not biologicallly a woman and never will be! Times are changing the other way or had you not noticed? Common sense is prevailing again.

Personally I don't mind someone who doesn't have a penis using women's spaces. Will you be having yours removed? It isn't foolproof - rape can still take place in other ways, but it would demonstrate commitment at least.

I'm talking about OP not knowing why they don't want to share with men.

There is a fact-evidenced risk for women to do so. I think it's worth exploring why a male person doesn't want to do so, more than "it feels wrong and I don't know why".

1)Please find out about Ritchie Herron op. He had genital surgery and regretted it. You don't have to do anything in a hurry.
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2) People in your life and/or online are scaring you by saying you could lose your grc, etc. You say you feel happier now so embrace today and feel happy with who you are and your life.
3) You are obviously fragile. Please build your resilience. You will meet obstacles in your life and need to prepare how you are going to cope with whatever life throws at you. Focusing on who you are apart from your gender identity and incorporating this into your life is important. Do you love arts, science, running, table tennis, whatever. Find your joy.
4) You are on a message board where the vast majority of contributors are fighting to keep males out of women's spaces. I hope you understand that you will never be a woman. And never, ever try to get changed in a women's communal changing room.

Even if they have had substantial surgery and no longer have a penis?

Trans people have existed throughout history in cultures all over the world.

This is so disingenuous. People who want to be the opposite sex have always existed. Some societies have thrown women under the bus to accommodate them - this is misogyny. I would prefer that everyone is given respect - which means recognising that women have rights too.