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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

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AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 12:46

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

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popefully · 17/03/2025 13:06

Actually, one of the best pieces of advice I can give is don't be a plopper. No-one likes a plopper of any sex or gender.

But I hope your future is happy, and that one day you can accept that people of either sex can and do hold whatever trait it is you think is limited to one or the other.

Lovelyview · 17/03/2025 13:07

You are perfect just the way you are. You always were. I wish you a happy life.

DeanElderberry · 17/03/2025 13:08

People are assuming the OP was born with a male body.

Whether born male or female the future I'd hope for you would be one where you are content with a functional body, take care of it in the hope that you'll live a long, happy and fulfilled life in it, without punishing it for imaginary 'wrongness'.

And all the things other people are wishing for you - health, love, self-acceptance, and a chance to make the world around you a better place because you are living in it, unconstrained by stereotypes.

PS, I'd also hope that it isn't too late for you to stop taking those hormones, so that you can enjoy a sex life and all the emotional richness that goes with that.

Shmee1988 · 17/03/2025 13:10

That is such a hard question. My initial response was the same as many others. Be happy, be safe, be you etc but don't use woman only spaces. However, I then got to thinking, if you have GRS and no longer have a penis, which should you use? Still the mens as you're still biologicaly a man? Or the woman's as you pose less risk with no penis? But then I thought, a man who is a man in both sex and gender would still use a male changing room even if for some reason he no longer possessed a penis, maybe through medical related issues or injury. I go round in circles. I think having UNISEX facilities everywhere is a good idea.

If you were in a women's only space and were asked to leave by a biological female, would you leave?

I think every tans person has a right to live to live happily and peacefully and I wish you the best of luck.

Hoppinggreen · 17/03/2025 13:10

DeanElderberry · 17/03/2025 13:08

People are assuming the OP was born with a male body.

Whether born male or female the future I'd hope for you would be one where you are content with a functional body, take care of it in the hope that you'll live a long, happy and fulfilled life in it, without punishing it for imaginary 'wrongness'.

And all the things other people are wishing for you - health, love, self-acceptance, and a chance to make the world around you a better place because you are living in it, unconstrained by stereotypes.

PS, I'd also hope that it isn't too late for you to stop taking those hormones, so that you can enjoy a sex life and all the emotional richness that goes with that.

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As per their user name I think its a pretty safe assumption

Xiaoxiong · 17/03/2025 13:10

@DeanElderberry I assumed on the basis of the OP's username.

The key qualification for being a transwoman is being male.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/03/2025 13:10

Sorry but this feels very much a derivation of “you just don’t want us to exist!!!!”

and probably posted entirely for screenshots

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 17/03/2025 13:10

Hoydenish · 17/03/2025 12:49

I don't really understand your question?

Your future is what you make it, I wish you every success and happiness.

This

Greyskybluesky · 17/03/2025 13:12

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/03/2025 13:10

Sorry but this feels very much a derivation of “you just don’t want us to exist!!!!”

and probably posted entirely for screenshots

I feel inclined to agree. I'd love to be proved wrong though.

I mean, are we supposed to say "no, and here's why...."

ditalini · 17/03/2025 13:13

I would hope for a future where you and others can accept yourself just the way you are, with the likes, dislikes, preferences, ways of presenting yourself that feel most comfortable to you.

I'm sorry you have such a rigid internalisation of what gender means and I genuinely think it's a prison for you, but I wish you well in living your life.

Outside of observing the rules that everyone has to follow regarding decency, no-one should judge you on how you dress.

Outside of observing the rules that everyone has to follow regarding single sex spaces, no-one should police where you go and what you do.

I would urge you to be very careful about surgical body modification procedures and make sure you are completely aware of the risks of failure and have realistic expectations of how even a perfect procedure will look and make you feel.

Helleofabore · 17/03/2025 13:13

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/03/2025 13:10

Sorry but this feels very much a derivation of “you just don’t want us to exist!!!!”

and probably posted entirely for screenshots

Yes

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 17/03/2025 13:15

I've got nothing to add to the answers here, but I am intrigued to see if the OP will reply.

AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 13:16

Greyskybluesky · 17/03/2025 13:12

I feel inclined to agree. I'd love to be proved wrong though.

I mean, are we supposed to say "no, and here's why...."

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I'm not going to screenshot any of this. I'm someone who I scared. I spent most of my childhood miserable and hating my male sex characteristics. I've never been happy up until the point I was able to transition and live as who I felt I was. The only reason I transitioned was to alleviate my dysphoria.

I'm scared of being forced back into not being the way I am now. I'm scared of going back to how miserable I was before I started to transition.

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DeanElderberry · 17/03/2025 13:16

Fair enough, based on the screen name, I also hope the OP realises that transwomen are men, will always be seen as such by women, and will save himself massive unhappiness in life if he doesn't try to pretend otherwise

Likewise, to a natal female, transmen are women, will always be seen as such by women and men, and will save herself massive unhappiness in life if she doesn't try to pretend otherwise.

Women spot sex more quickly than men, partly for reasons of personal safety that we learn about from infancy onwards.

SilenceInside · 17/03/2025 13:17

"Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?"

Any future you wish to create for yourself, as long as you aren't negatively affecting women and girls by conflating gender identity with sex, don't be dishonest about your sex, and try not to be sexist (i.e having the attitude that your sex can or cannot "match" a personality type, traits) as @popefully has explained.

I would wish you a long and peaceful fulfilled life @AYoungTransWoman , as I would with anyone regardless of their sex and personal presentation.

Marylou2 · 17/03/2025 13:17

I hope you can live a happy and peaceful life without having to draw attention to your gender and without encroaching on the rights and privacy of women.

Fountains · 17/03/2025 13:18

SilenceInside · 17/03/2025 13:17

"Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?"

Any future you wish to create for yourself, as long as you aren't negatively affecting women and girls by conflating gender identity with sex, don't be dishonest about your sex, and try not to be sexist (i.e having the attitude that your sex can or cannot "match" a personality type, traits) as @popefully has explained.

I would wish you a long and peaceful fulfilled life @AYoungTransWoman , as I would with anyone regardless of their sex and personal presentation.

This.

jewelcase · 17/03/2025 13:18

AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 13:16

I'm not going to screenshot any of this. I'm someone who I scared. I spent most of my childhood miserable and hating my male sex characteristics. I've never been happy up until the point I was able to transition and live as who I felt I was. The only reason I transitioned was to alleviate my dysphoria.

I'm scared of being forced back into not being the way I am now. I'm scared of going back to how miserable I was before I started to transition.

I hope you aren’t forced into doing anything you don’t want to do. And I hope you live free of being scared.

I hope you live the lifestyle that makes you happy.

And I hope you accept the fact that you will, unfortunately, never become an actual woman. I hope that this fact doesn’t cause you distress.

Greyskybluesky · 17/03/2025 13:19

AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 13:16

I'm not going to screenshot any of this. I'm someone who I scared. I spent most of my childhood miserable and hating my male sex characteristics. I've never been happy up until the point I was able to transition and live as who I felt I was. The only reason I transitioned was to alleviate my dysphoria.

I'm scared of being forced back into not being the way I am now. I'm scared of going back to how miserable I was before I started to transition.

I am genuinely glad you came back!

SilenceInside · 17/03/2025 13:19

@AYoungTransWoman the excellent thing about the UK, is that in general no one will force you to present or behave in particular ways, unless you are breaking the law of course. Why would you be scared of being forced to dress or behave differently? Who do you think would try to do that to you? Women will, in general, leave you well alone.

Shortshriftandlethal · 17/03/2025 13:19

In spite of your 'identity' you remain male. You have to be male to be a 'transwoman'. You should, and do, have the same civil rights as everyone else...but what you do not have is women's rights and protections.

If you want specific services and categories set aside that cater to your specific needs then you will have to campaign for them, just like every other group has had to campaign for theirs.

The length of time you have been taking hormones, nor your desire or intention for surgery, changes your sex. Sex is important in many circumstances, and especially for the female sex in certain kinds of situation. It will be for you too......in spite of what you do to your body. Your underlying chromosomal make-up is like the hard drive......whatever 'software' you add or 'install' will be impacted by the hard drive, and you will need to report your biological sex when seeking medical treatment.

Hoppinggreen · 17/03/2025 13:19

AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 13:16

I'm not going to screenshot any of this. I'm someone who I scared. I spent most of my childhood miserable and hating my male sex characteristics. I've never been happy up until the point I was able to transition and live as who I felt I was. The only reason I transitioned was to alleviate my dysphoria.

I'm scared of being forced back into not being the way I am now. I'm scared of going back to how miserable I was before I started to transition.

Nobody here wants you to be forced to do anything, just as I am sure you don't want women to be forced to do something either.

No idea what you are scared of, perhaps you could give actual examples?

TinklySnail · 17/03/2025 13:20

Transgender people are accepted in the main.
As long as you don’t decide you want to do competitive sports.
As long as you understand that if you still look like the gender you were born with you may get misgendered by people who don’t know you.
I say this as a family member to a transgender person

DeanElderberry · 17/03/2025 13:20

AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 13:16

I'm not going to screenshot any of this. I'm someone who I scared. I spent most of my childhood miserable and hating my male sex characteristics. I've never been happy up until the point I was able to transition and live as who I felt I was. The only reason I transitioned was to alleviate my dysphoria.

I'm scared of being forced back into not being the way I am now. I'm scared of going back to how miserable I was before I started to transition.

You can't be forced back into unhappy childhood. The way you live, dress, behave, is all something you can choose and control and is not dictated by your sex. There are many many different ways of being a man.

A mental illness, which is what dysphoria is, should not be left untreated to the point where the sufferer commits dangerous self-harm.Spend you money on getting better therapy, not on irreversible mutilation.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 17/03/2025 13:21

I'm scared of being forced back into not being the way I am now. I'm scared of going back to how miserable I was before I started to transition.

this is interesting. I wonder what OP means by 'the way I am now'

because no-one on this thread has said stop wearing stereotypically feminine clothes or make up or whatever. The general consensus is that avoiding extreme surgery is for the best, but no-one is saying he can't have it,

so what is it that he's doing now that he thinks feminist women will stop him from doing I wonder?

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