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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

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AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 12:46

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

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Chenecinquantecinq · 17/03/2025 14:18

Mostunexpected · 17/03/2025 14:17

Even if they have had substantial surgery and no longer have a penis?

Yes even then they are biologically male!!!!!! This is not a difficult concept for anyone who has take GCSE Biology

LSGXX · 17/03/2025 14:19

Live your life as ‘a transwoman’ and I wish you well.

But please really understand - know and believe - that you are not, and never will be, a woman. No matter how many medications you take and how much cosmetic surgery you have. You are and always will always be a male so please don’t delude yourself.

Don’t invade women’s spaces, where you are not wanted - loos, sports, wards etc.

If you can manage to all do this - to show that you respect women - you will earn understanding, compassion and respect.

Digdongdoo · 17/03/2025 14:19

Mostunexpected · 17/03/2025 14:17

Even if they have had substantial surgery and no longer have a penis?

A penis is not what makes a man, a man. And how are we supposed to know if he still has a penis or not?

Epidote · 17/03/2025 14:19

@AYoungTransWoman
I'm scared to lose my job because that salary is what is putting a roof and food on my DD and myself.

You are scared of many unlikely to happen things. Most of the people at least in a country like UK will only wish you well.

The only thing they ask you in return is to respect biological women and understand that yes, there is a difference between a biological woman and a transgender one. And you need to understand that not all the trans women or autopercived "transwomen" want to accept that.
Some women are sick of trans women mocking womanwood dressing over the top and behaving sexually in a way that most of fertile women won't do. Of others trans women compiting in sports and stealing biological women to succeed. Of autopercived trans women going with beards and penis to changing rooms when teen girls are partly naked etc, etc.
We all want the same, respect. Those others want it all.
It is not about you, is about the ones that want them all.
You will be fine, don't worry about that stuff and be as happy as you can.

Soontobe60 · 17/03/2025 14:20

Gonnaenoe · 17/03/2025 13:31

Trans patients who regret gender affirming surgery make up less than 1% of those who have had it.

In contrast, reports of general plastic surgery regret sit upto 65%

Both of your statements are untrue.

Chenecinquantecinq · 17/03/2025 14:21

I am so bored of this crap. Born male you can undergo whatever plastic surgery you like you are still male. I have no issue with you at all living your life as you want, just don't invade our female spaces. This should not be even debatable!!!!!!!!!

murasaki · 17/03/2025 14:21

Chenecinquantecinq · 17/03/2025 14:18

Yes even then they are biologically male!!!!!! This is not a difficult concept for anyone who has take GCSE Biology

What abut the muscle mass etc acquired during male puberty? Even a slight man could probably take me in a fight.

SingingSonnets · 17/03/2025 14:21

Mostunexpected · 17/03/2025 14:17

Even if they have had substantial surgery and no longer have a penis?

They’re still men, even if they have chosen to have their penis mutilated. No men in women’s spaces. End of.

TheKeatingFive · 17/03/2025 14:21

Mostunexpected · 17/03/2025 14:17

Even if they have had substantial surgery and no longer have a penis?

No, because removing a penis doesn't change your sex.

OP I wish you all the best. The one thing I'd say is try not to put too much emphasis on passing or making others refer to you as something you aren't. Human's can't change sex and so don't make your happiness conditional upon this. But of course, present how you want.

Bleeky · 17/03/2025 14:21

I’m just not interested in your inner thoughts, how you feel. That’s your thing.

I am not interested in being told I’m a terf, or I need to use pronouns or I need to share private spaces with you. I don’t want my words taken away - breast, midwife, mother, maternity.
You do your trans thing, leave us women alone.

Yellowhammer09 · 17/03/2025 14:22

I would be more accepting if people were just trans in private. Stop yelling out about it, I really just don't want to hear it. Remember subcultures? This is a perfect use for them. And please, never use women's facilities. Half the social issues would disappear if we stopped any "trans women in a women's prison" type stuff.

I'm afraid there are only two sexes, and you've pulled the short straw.

Sortalike · 17/03/2025 14:22

You have undoubtedly made a difficult choice to live your life as a woman, and I hope that choosing to transition brings you peace, but you will never be a woman - you can't change your biology.

There is a creator on tiktok - a transwoman - who witters on about her struggles with PCOS. That is not only insulting to women, but it makes an absolute mockery of those transwomen who are trying to find their place in society, fighting for acceptance.

I guess that for some transpeople, there is a need to feel vastly superior, validated, etc. and as a result of their views and behaviour everyone else is irrelevant. Kind of ironic when they are taking the piss out of the sex they are desperately trying to emulate.

Personally I don't really care what sex you are, or what gender you choose to be, but I do care when someone's chosen gender becomes more important than my biology.

ArabellaScott · 17/03/2025 14:22

AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 14:14

Yeah. I don't mind being referred to as that. Nor do I mind third spaces.

In that case, I don't think anyone here is likely to have a problem with anything you do, OP.

Women just need our rights and spaces, that's all.

If you've been told feminists are animated by 'hatred', you've been misled.

It's a lie that all feminists hate men, that has been used to smear and vilify and dismiss us for about as long as we've been working for women's rights.

Soontobe60 · 17/03/2025 14:22

Digdongdoo · 17/03/2025 14:19

A penis is not what makes a man, a man. And how are we supposed to know if he still has a penis or not?

You’re right, just as a GRC does not make a make a female, or fake breasts make a male female, or a fake vagina etc etc etc.
The sex you have at conception determines your sex. That is immutable,

Helleofabore · 17/03/2025 14:22

AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 14:14

Yeah. I don't mind being referred to as that. Nor do I mind third spaces.

But you use female single sex spaces?

And in using those spaces, do you use them knowing that you potentially cause female people distress and to self -exclude because of your presence?

Bailamosse · 17/03/2025 14:23

Do what you want. Just don’t ever come near women’s spaces. Ever.

user2848502016 · 17/03/2025 14:23

I sincerely hope you have a long and happy future ahead of you. I don’t wish anyone to be unhappy, so dress however you want, use whatever name you like, sleep with any consenting adult you want.
I just won’t ever accept that you have actually changed sex though and I wouldn’t ever accept men in women’s sport or in single sex spaces. I also hope you have been given sound medical advice and counselling re the surgery.

LarkspurLane · 17/03/2025 14:24

Gonnaenoe · 17/03/2025 13:40

Do you think someone who is transitioning is safe in men only space? Could you not consider that someone presenting female could be equally as in danger from male violence or attack there as someone assigned female at birth?

Trans people just want to be safe, too. Pushing them into male only spaces is absolutely not the answer for that.

I think that women transitioning to men often use women's bathrooms even after transition. I think they (women) feel safe there.
This leads me to think that men and men's bathrooms are the problem, not women. So a problem for men to solve I think.

ArabellaScott · 17/03/2025 14:24

murasaki · 17/03/2025 14:21

What abut the muscle mass etc acquired during male puberty? Even a slight man could probably take me in a fight.

Hey, you can't be 'slightly' a man. It's one or the other, murasaki! 😂

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 17/03/2025 14:25

As an anorexic when I was younger, I wanted my body to disappear, I wanted to cut off my breasts and gauge the 'fat' out of my stomach. I wanted to peel away the flesh hanging from my arms and thighs.

Luckily I got therapy rather than surgery.

As a transperson who is keen on changing healthy bodies to fit an idea or 'feeling'... how would you have dealt with an anorexic teen? NHS funded lipo?

Bailamosse · 17/03/2025 14:25

Mostunexpected · 17/03/2025 14:17

Even if they have had substantial surgery and no longer have a penis?

Yes. Even if it’s chopped off, turned inside out, or fashioned into anything at all.

Women’s spaces are for biological females and nothing else.

murasaki · 17/03/2025 14:26

ArabellaScott · 17/03/2025 14:24

Hey, you can't be 'slightly' a man. It's one or the other, murasaki! 😂

Haha!!!!

ArabellaScott · 17/03/2025 14:26

Women’s spaces are for biological females and nothing else.

That's it, that's all. How did we get to a point where we are arguing whether some men should have the right to use women's spaces? Madness.

Bailamosse · 17/03/2025 14:28

ArabellaScott · 17/03/2025 14:26

Women’s spaces are for biological females and nothing else.

That's it, that's all. How did we get to a point where we are arguing whether some men should have the right to use women's spaces? Madness.

Honestly, it’s exhausting. There’s no conversation needed, no nuance, no debating, no need to ‘be kind’

It’s a single fact, and that’s it.

BobbyBiscuits · 17/03/2025 14:28

In what way? I wish you success, good health and happiness as I would anyone.

You're trans so won't be recognised the same as the bio sex of others born with it. But you shouldn't have to face discrimination.

I am happy to use the pronouns anyone wishes for themselves. As long as you recognise bio female spaces as needing to be exclusive.

I wish you well and know that being trans can't be easy. I have two trans man cousins.

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