Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

[AYoungTransWoman]

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

Newsflash: people have different opinions to you.

Some cultures have a third gender. I think that would make the most sense. To accept that there is a third (or potentially third and fourth) gender so that trans people can be proud of being trans, not having to fit into existing boxes and can be free and happy.
I think trying to supress, ignore,hide or make a trans person have to fit into either male or female fully is not helpful and causes issues and young people who may be exploring their gender identity are forced to choose, male or female or trans male or trans female. Its all or nothing. Surely there should be a space that allows for people who are trans to be who they are as a trans person, it would be kinder and less confusing to everyone.

Trans ideology- the queering of sex as a class does threaten saftey.

Most adult understands that TWAW is said with a wink, but children dont. If children hear that twaw, they are more likey to take it at face value. So when in a dangerous situation with a man, many children wont understand the real risk they would otherwise appreciate. Remember the girl who was kidnapped by a man because she got into the car with someone she assumed was a woman?

No tran person wants to acknowledge this.

The ideal world of my imagination. Or the solution?

I don’t want anyone to have to use a communal shower rooms. Young boys alone in the men’s. Young girls alone in the women’s. Men in front of men. Women in front of women. Trans people feeling uncomfortable or unwelcome with both.

What’s your solution if not cubicles?

@AYoungTransWoman I really feel for you and not that you'll see this but just to let you know that MN is not all women and I don't personally know any women that have these anti-trans views. From what I've seen on here, people with strong views are extremely vocal on the subject.

Personally I accept you as someone who has been born in the wrong skin and going through a lot to correct that, and whoever tries to shoot me down for saying that, I may not speak for you, but you don't speak for me or all women either. You are accepted by me and many other women.

Well obviously, we’re on a discussion forum after all. I’m interested in your workings.

If you’d read the thread, you know the risks and consequences of such surgery so I’m interested how you reconcile the possible consequences of surgery with having a ‘happy and healthy life’.

I’m also interested in how you automatically deem a male to be no threat, just because they are trans?

Sex segregation.
Even with private cubicles. Which are an impractical solution due to cost and space issues. And also unsafe and unhygienic in the case of toilets.

ETA: Women undressing on the same room as young girls is not remotely comparable to male people undressing in the same room as young girls. It's the male people that are the threat to young girls and indeed women.

Quote the anti trans posts. Not indulging in a delusion isn’t anti trans. Biological reality isn’t anti trans. Stating fact isn’t ’strong views’. It’s just stating fact.

Make it make sense!

In that case whole new toilets areas, changing rooms, hospital wards, and prisons need to be built for them.

I don’t believe these are genuine questions so I’m not going to dignify them with a response. I wanted to offer a different perspective to the OP and show her some support. I have zero interest in debating with anyone. It’s dull and neither of us will change our minds.

Of course they are genuine questions. The fact you can’t answer them - basic questions - shows the absurdity of this ideology that you can’t explain. It’s dull when you get a plopper poster. If you can’t back up what you say why are you here?

Every woman I’ve ever spoken to has these views.

ive never spoken to a woman in friend or professional circles who believes trans women are women.

We mostly just keep quiet to avoid abuse, accusations and being called names.

In private conversations everyone I’ve met is gender critical, from my friends to family to my colleagues. My CEO, a friend who is a therapist, a doctor, a midwife, nurses and teachers.

Ive never come across someone in real life who believes that men should be considered women and be allowed access to single sex spaces.

'you asked some difficult questions that I can't answer so I'm not going to dignify them with a response. it's totally legit for me to offer a different perspective even if I can't actually justify why I believe what I believe!'

Yup! They shouldn’t even be difficult
questions if you believe what you say.

I couldn't figure out what you were suggesting, which is why I asked. But it's not the same at all - the pro-paedophilia thing was never widely accepted and the laws against child abuse were not abolished. Whereas the right to legally change gender is now a reality. The latter has been accepted by our lawmakers as a human rights issue, rightly or wrongly; the former has not. They're not going to go back.

But you are surely just describing gender non-conforming. Which is completely normal and
socially acceptable. People are allowed to dress and present themselves however they like. No one should be judged for how they choose to present themselves as long as it is appropriate for the situation. (Eg no bikinis in the office!).

But underlying that is an acceptance that male and female bodies are different and it has been perfectly acceptable for millennia that is normal to separate in intimate/vulnerable/situations of fairness (eg sports) on the basis of sex.

How is that going to work with safeguarding?

Imagine you are organising an overnight trip with 15 year olds. Their gender identity is as relevant as their musical tastes or star signs.

Why should the government or society be concerned with individuals exploring identities? When are gender identities ever relevant to anyone else?

The fact that it is a legal reality doesn't mean it is widely accepted. These laws were passed without most people having the faintest clue what was being changed and what the implications of that would be.

HRTFT, but I would wish you good legal representation in the future, and would advise you to check the statute of limitations on medical negligence claims in your jurisdiction. In some places around the world, it’s worryingly short.

It hasn't been accepted as a human right in the UK, yet. The Scottish Government recently argued in court that it is, but until the Supreme Court rules on that, it's not true to say that it is accepted as a human right.

OK, you don’t mind communal changing rooms. I think people should have a choice.

I don’t think boys should have to go in the men’s alone. But each to their own.

We’re speaking to different women.

I know one GC woman - my mum. She probably doesn’t even know that she is, but she is.

The women I work with, all completely unbothered (or at least seem to be from discussion), the female friends I have, my sister. I’d be hard pushed to have a difficult conversation about sex/gender with any of them.

In fact, with most of those above, it’s not that they’re vehemently for trans women being in single sex spaces, they wouldn’t necessarily be “allies” for example - they’re just not bothered and don’t actually engage in the whole debate at all.

The internet is the only place I see that debate, in ‘real life” - nothing.

I'm telling you what the reality of the situation is. You are trying to avoid the issue by calling for a solution which is impossible in practice and would create other problems.

And another reminder that the majority of UK people share the views of most women on here.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

It's not accepted by most ordinary people, no. But it is by most MPs, and they are the ones who vote on this stuff. Our dear leaders are not aligned with public opinion, and they're not going to be. They'd view it as on a par with voting to abolish maternity leave or make homosexually illegal again. Not a chance.