Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

[AYoungTransWoman]

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

Yes, that's true. Most people really don't care either way.

Kind of, although plenty of people would suggest there are 28 genders (scottish government), 100 genders (BBC) or - limitless genders (me).

Would you think trans-identifying men would be happy sharing with trans-dentifying women, and vice versa? What about non-binary people? Agender people? Any of the various 'neo genders'?

The truth is that 'gender' doesn't really have a fixed and stable meaning. Sex is the only logical basis for segregation, and we all have a sex, and it's one or the other.

MPs represent the people. If the people don't accept this and make that feeling strongly enough known, the laws will have to reflect that. Laws are revised, changed, revoked all the time.

There are already cases working through the courts that are challenging this.

It’s not impossible. Loads of places already have unisex changing rooms and unisex toilets. Sports centres, pubs, restaurants, cafes, museums. My workplace.

Buildings constantly need modernising for all sorts of reasons.

I’m offering a solution, you’re offering problems.

So, what’s your solution?

It doesn't matter what I think, sometimes there isn't enough space available for everyone to have a cubicle.

So, what are you saying? What’s your solution?

Of course, I hope you have a happy life and feel safe and accepted by everyone and content, and all rights and opportunities a non trans person has

You can't modernise a building out of the restrictions of the space time continuum. Unisex provision requires more space.

Why not provide single sex and unisex toilets and changing rooms?

So can you explain your opinion then.

What is it about a male declaring that they are trans that makes them less of a risk to females than any other male?

see my previous reply. I have zero interest in explaining myself to anyone

But where there are options, and there are in some gyms. The communal area IS the access to the cubicals so you literally have to walk through somewhere a male who identifies as trans could be naked in order to be in a private space.

It's unrealistic to expect businesses to change their spaces to accommodate trans women and women and to keep women free from males.

You are happy with male rapists being locked up with women, @Bigwelshlamb ? With girls being forced by their school to change their clothes in front of a male schoolmate? With lesbians being told to ‘get over their genital preferences and have penetrative sex with a man, just because he calls himself a lesbian? With women and girls being injured in sports because they are having to compete against biological males? With women and girls losing awards, titles, scholarships to male athletes? With children being given Lupron to ‘pause’ puberty, leading to loss of bone density and retardation of their intellectual development? With people being told they can actually change their sex? With women’s rights, safety, dignity and even our words being sacrificed to the trans rights activists? With women receiving rape and death threats for expressing gender critical beliefs?

The only problem I have is that weaponisation of transphobic label. In the hospital and teenage girl example a number of people would call such a request transphobic (and I disagree).
I also don’t like when trans women want to act as experts on women and girls rights and experiences because they didn’t grow up as such so won’t have direct experience of this life - they have their own experiences and struggles (not talking about general human experiences here)

Thank you for your input, or lack of. It shines more light hopefully on this ridiculous situation we find ourselves in.

So you're not prepared to recognise the concerns of female people who don't want to be in single sex spaces with male people regardless their gender identity? Ok then.

Thanks for clarifying.

Female people matter.

We won't stop fighting for our rights.

Be happy and safe, however you wish to live your life.

We all live in echo chambers don't we. I'm a real life person and I'm fine for trans women to use the same toilet as me 🙋🏻‍♀️.

I have a large circle or female friends in different professions - tend to be fairly academic liberal types as that's my background. But I'm also referring to teachers, business owners, doctors etc. Just because that's all we've heard doesn't mean those are all the views that exists. It's like the Brexit debate isn't it.

Funnily enough, the only people in my circle who I've heard express anti trans views are actually men.

I have unisex toilets at my work. The women are constantly complaining to reception about the state the men leave them in. Seats always left up. (No men I do not want to touch the seat to pull it down again!) Pee on the seats. They don’t clean their poo if they leave a large mark. We have walked in and found men are peeing with the door slightly ajar (nothing pervy- just laziness!). We would give anything to have our women’s loos back!

I’d beg you to pause the surgery. You were not born on the wrong body

Wanting transwomen not to be in a changing room when you may be naked isn’t transphobic . it’s allowed under the equality act for perfectly good reasons.

if transowmen were women there would be a definition of woman that was self consistent and not circular

As a person in the academic circle, as you put it, I find it interesting that you see it as being anti trans in women's single sex spaces rather than anti male.

It's almost as if you are having a logic fail.

Which is interesting for a self professed 'academic'.

The liberal bit I kind of get, that's more about male rights these days !

Just because you are fine with using toilets with males doesn’t mean you get to give away the right for women NOT to use toilets with males away. You see?

Please quote any anti trans posts. I’m sure you’ve been asked this before…

There are plenty of cafes with unisex toilets. Because they have one toilet. And everyone has to use it. Men, women, boys, girls, trans or not.

I’ve been to plenty of festivals and seasides with unisex toilets. Portaloos or a row of permanent toilets. One queue. All genders.

Why not provide single sex and unisex toilets and changing rooms?

You said there isn’t space for unisex, let alone single sex as well. But I agree, if there’s space then of course. Though I don’t see the point in single gender if there’s unisex.

The trouble is that so many women have lost jobs, been threatened, vilified, labeled 'anti trans' for sticking up for their rights, that they are afraid to even express a view on the subject.

Which is how we end up with preference falsification. And why on a board where women are able to be anonymous, there are more varied views.

Many women are happy to share unisex toilets with men, whether or not they describe themselves as trans women. We have established that.

Can you not understand that some women aren't? Can you not imagine circumstances that might lead them to be very wary of men?