Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

[AYoungTransWoman]

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

"Thinking the whole idea that it's possible to change sex will just be abolished"

It doesn't really exist in the UK - if it did there wouldn't be rules preventing somebody using a GRC to get a hereditary peerage.

Women's rights are a civil rights and equality issue.

Gender ideology is deeply, deeply regressive.

Physically threatened? Yes. If you mean as, what, a rival? Then you must be male to think that women are jealous sexually? Most of us are trying to go under the radar as best we can.

This is a common misconception. Once you start accepting that sex change is possible and legitimate, you have to accept each person's self-identification. That's why when male trans-identified prisoners are assessed for female prisons, they are deemed to be low-threat - because they are measured against "other" female felons! Yes it is ridiculous. But you cannot pick and choose where and when you accept gender as overriding sex.

Elsvieta
If you dont think governments take away the rights of women, why are you saying women have to be realistic about accepting the GRA?

Having to accommodate some men as women in some situations is removing womans rights.

I would absolutely accept you as a trans-woman but not a woman.

I would call you by your preferred pronouns and it wouldn’t bother me if you wore a dress and make up etc.

But I would not accept you in all female spaces such as hospital wards, prisons or toilets etc

I also would never support changing birth certificates or medical records (if this is even possible).

It’s not transphobic to say that you will never be a woman and it’s important that medical professionals are aware of your history.

I'm pretty sure that a hospital will end up killing its patients if it doesn't know their sex.

I already said no one should have to use communal showers. All showers and changing facilities should have cubicles. They do at the nearest sports centre/pool to me.

That is lovely for you.

Plenty of sports facilities don't the the space.

Again - you are making choices about your safety that are not available to everyone, and not accounting for the fact that other people have reasons to set different boundaries.

Repealing the GRA isn't going backwards, it's going forwards.

It cannot be considered reasonable to expect women (and indeed men) to accept a law that says the fundamental difference between women and men is mental, and if one thinks "like the opposite sex" it means one might as well be considered as the opposite sex.

We need to recognise it's a law that was formed in sexist, homophobic times. It may have made sense, even been humane, in that context but society has moved on. The GRA today is an anachronism that far from being enlightened just encodes sexist attitudes and we no longer need it.

Any compromise that tries to square the circle of a legal sex that is not ones real sex is ultimately going to fail. You can't legislate reality into something else. It's like trying to pass a law to adjust gravity. You can say it's true, you can pretend to see it working, but any time sex actually matters the construct is going to fail because reality hasn't changed.

The kindest way forward IMO is to disconnect gender from sex altogether (which after all is simply recognising the reality that whatever trans people are feeling, it is certainly not being the opposite sex), and treat it as a thing in its own right, another axis of commonality between people akin to religion or regional identity but self-identified.

Give it its own language and let people lobby and organise whatever new rights, spaces, celebrations or protections they feel their gender group requires.

Yes, birth certificates and medical records are changed on request for 'gender transition'. As far as I'm aware, this is the only issue that allows official docs to be changed.

Allowing men into womens toilets and changing rooms limits girls to have the freedom to go out alone.

Suddenly, women only spaces become places where it could just be a 12 year old girl alone with a man. That makes a difference to how confident girls will be to be out without their parents.

Alarming, for sure, but it didn't actually happen - Germany didn't actually legalise paedophilia.

The Paedophile Information Exchange used to get more of a voice on the UK left than it likes to remember now. As in Germany, gay people quite reasonably got fed up with being lumped in with paedophiles. And we shouldn't compare transgender people to paedophiles now - did you mean to? Was the idea between the link to suggest it's a "slippery slope" or similar?

I am not pro-transgenderism at all, but it's not remotely the same as campaigning for the right to abuse children. Most of them are just people with psychological problems trying to do what they think will make them happier, and are no danger to anyone. The difficult question is what we can do about the minority who do threaten women's safety.

You need a grc to change your birth certificate but all other documents can be changed without a grc including passports and driving licences

Sorry, I don’t get your point. How am I not accounting for people setting different boundaries? In case you’ve misunderstood, I’m not advocating for communal anything, though I don’t personally mind. I know cubicles aren’t available to everyone. I said they should be. Lots of people don’t want other people to see them in the buff.

Thanks, yes, important detail!

I wish you a healthy and happy life and hope you are treated fairly and with equity. I hope you know that there are people like me out here that don’t see you as any kind of threat and are happy to accept that you are now a woman. Good luck with your surgery. I hope your recovery is smooth and swift

I am not pro-transgenderism at all, but it's not remotely the same as campaigning for the right to abuse children

Perhaps depends on what one thinks about children being affirmed as 'eunuch' gender?

So, are you saying communal changing rooms should remain?

Personally, I think people should have the option of privacy.

more reading for you

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles

Amd I haven't even remotely suggested this is the same as transgenderism, have I?

The reason for bringing it up is because PIE absolutely was presented as a human rights issue by some sections of society. Which gained traction in policy.

Thankfully this was pushed back on.

Is this actually happening to trans people in the UK? I hadn't realised it was happening here. I thought the UK was an extremely tolerant country for LGBT.

But they don't now, in the real world. Not in leisure centres, changing rooms of community playing fields, schools.

As I say, the real world we live in now, not the ideal world of your imagination.

You wish them a happy and healthy life but also send good luck with surgery? Really?

Another who sees a male as ‘no kind of threat’ just because they’ve deemed themselves trans. Are people really this naive?

Communal facilities will remain the norm at gyms, swimming pools and in schools, etc because of the cost of building private facilities. Additionally, being communal is part of what makes them safe. Total privacy can reduce safety.