Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

[AYoungTransWoman]

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

I always find the ‘be kind’ mantra is the most ridiculous saying

why don’t we use it in other situations?

I’m short of money can you give £10000? No? That’s not very kind

my car has broken down, can I use yours? No? That’s not very kind

It is very weird that it is only used in this once specific circumstance of allowing biological males into female spaces

I have absolutely no problem in accepting that the OP is a genuine transwoman who intends to go ahead with surgery.

But genuine or not, surgery or not, GRC or not, I cannot and will not welcome transwomen into women’s single sex spaces.

It is a Gender Recognition Certificate. Not a Sex Recognition Certificate. No one can change sex, people remain the sex they are born with, so therefore the question of allowing men into womens prisons/ hospital wards/ sports shouldn’t arise.

This is the significant point. None of them COULD get the result that they believe they are promised (and did the surgeon promise it or is it their community who pushes the so called promise.)

And it is very concerning that one of the people you knew was about to engage in non-consensual sex with any person without being upfront about their sex. That is such harmful & disrespectful behaviour.

Very male behavior...

In that case may I call as my first witness Professor Lord Robert Winston, Emeritus Professor at Imperial College who has spent a lifetime looking at the genetic makeup of the human mammal, and whose opinion is that people can’t change sex because every single cell in their body declares their sex and has done so since very early in conception.

And the lie that the vaginal & vulva creation surgery is so perfect that even a gynecologist can’t tell.

This lie is hilarious. Can you imagine, the gynae would have to be blind and just incapable. Or maybe just politely humoring patient who doesn’t really know what it’s like to be a woman …. Think they know, but don’t.

Male to “female” surgery - There’s no cervix, no womb or ovaries, there are scars. The vag doesn’t lubricate, there are no bartholin glands.

Anyway, it’s a lie. The gynae can tell.

That group most certainly need to be more careful. Yet, if their message is to be 'open to all' as it is, and 'acceptable always', then they are always going to be horrifically vulnerable.

I remember hearing the story of Benji from Canada who was trying to raise the alarm that predatory male people (with transgender identities) were preying on teenaged female people with transgender identities at a 'trans youth group'. It was horrific what was happening. But when those teenaged female people tried to raise the alarm they were abused and dismissed.

I think it is an ideological issue that is not going to go away.

I fear that if I give my true feelings on the matter then I’ll be vilified. Take from that what you will.

Equivalent to delusion!

Actually not necessarily.

On changing gender, the NHS wipes all previous records. Its up to the patient to inform provider what reminders they need.

NHS records on gender, not sex.

If the op goes through with mutilating their body, which is not wrong and is theirs, I'd bet they don't suddenly become mentally healthy.

But if it's going ahead, do do the research, and not just from TRA sources.

The mental condition need looking at, not brutal butchery.

I would like to dig into this idea of the genuine/not genuine trans and the suggestion that the difference is whether they're a rapist or not.

Rape requires a victim. Usually female, sometimes a child.

Women are not the effing litmus test for 'genuine' (whatever the hell that means). Our bodies are not there for men to use to prove their lady feels are real. We're back to being dunked in the village pond and if we drown we're not a witch.

There only difference between a man pretending to be a woman who is a rapist and one who isn't (yet) is the rape.

Some people are getting very rich off the back of this delusion, and some are irrevocably harmed. It's a tragedy and a scandal.

I think it's heartbreaking that gender clinics peddle so many lies to vulnerable people who have no idea how debilitating it is to become incontinent.

If people are already struggling with their mental health, then how are hormones and surgery that leads to incontinence going to help them? The worry about wearing pads, being smelly, being unable to do exercise are all going to make life much, much more difficult.

Sorry should have said - they now know too late that they’ve buggered up their own systems and are now desperately making appeals to remind (esp transmen) to come in for screening…

From the Telegraph: "Experts said the impact of the sex-changing drugs on bodily functions are under-researched and under-reported, with people “not being informed of the risks at gender clinics”.

Around 87 per cent of the participants had urinary symptoms such as incontinence, frequent toilet visits and bed-wetting, while 74 per cent had bowel issues including constipation or being unable to hold stools or wind in. Some 53 per cent suffered from sexual dysfunction."

It's a tragedy that this is not talked about more often.

I'm a person who doesn't have a huge social network, yet I know 3 MtoF people who've said to me that they wish they'd never had the genital surgery. Where do you get this 'less than 1%'? Does the person who regrets surgery fill out an official form? Are the forms gathered, the information collated and published? Is it updated ? No, no. no. The three people who spoke to me aren't on any list. There are many people living lives of quiet misery, and utter regret. You can take your 'less than 1%' and shove it up your bum.

What’s a plopper?

I suppose my thinking is this, if someone’s uncle nonce now wants to be Aunty Brenda after the local papers have shared his image and address, then the trans community shouldn’t rally to offer Brenda a seat at the table. Brenda for all I know or care may have been desperate to live life in dresses since the days of blue Peter badges, but tough. Brenda has previously done things to harm women or children, then there shouldn’t be a sympathetic ear and warm seat at the table just because Brenda is on a journey of transition, Brenda can fuck off and be outcast like all the other predators. The trans community need to stop accommodating to bad men just in the name of inclusivity.
I see some of my friends who fear excluding anyone (not just my trans pal but they’re definitely worse for collecting the waifs and strays) worry they’re being unkind. Well some people don’t need kindness, they need prison. Fuck those people.
I think that there is a dark undercurrent of men wanting to take advantage to every small community and it’s on those communities to be keeping tabs on who they’re allowing in and giving the time of day to.

I think the trans community struggle with distancing themselves from people who harm it. My TW friend was discussing Lia Thomas a while back and called him a wanker, people like that, just grifters, they don’t need enabling by the community, they need shunning. It’s ridiculous. They could do better.

Someone who starts a thread and doesn't come back. Which to be fair the OP did, even if they've ignored literally every question abut being a woman.

Op - On a personal basis I wish you health and happiness in your life.
I hope you grow comfortable in your own body as no matter what doctors do - they cannot make you what you want to be.

It's like really wanting to emigrating to another country - but you can't. You are building up a scenery around you that shows you have.

Having started hormones, if you need hormones to stay healthy - then I hope you continue to get them.

Re toilets - my choice would be to have male and female - but Pandora's box is open so I would now want male, female and mixed. And I hope you can be comfortable enough to go to the mixed one and not feel bad about it.

Sports, prisons etc. should be same sex but with separation for those who have had opposite sex hormones (so 4 areas really if the numbers are there).

I hope you can dress and present yourself how you like without facing hassle anywhere.

This is the future I would like to see.

I don't want to keep talking about incontinence but in the hope it stops just one person from making an irreversible mistake I just want to add this comment from Elaine Miller, a pelvic health physiotherapist and member of the Chartered Society of Physiotherapy:
“Wetting yourself is something that just is not socially acceptable, and it stops people from exercising, it stops them from having intimate relationships, it stops them from travelling, it has work impacts,” she said.
“The impact a bit of leaking has on these young people’s lives is huge. It really needs to be properly discussed within gender clinics because I would expect that almost 100 per cent of female people that take cross-sex hormones will end up with these problems,” she added, noting that the study was “robust” and probably underplayed the issue.
“It’s really sad when we hear people say, ‘nobody ever told me this’, and they should have been informed of the risks in gender clinics.”

I don't quite understand what you mean there. No, nobody can actually literally change sex. Those who are changed legally do not change biologically. And therefore the issue of biological males ending up in female spaces very much DOES arise.