NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #12

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11

JR doing me a partial mea culpa for the withholding of disclosure

So DU says the missing emails to the BMA are because they’re from his private email and he “forgot” about them and JR says they are about well-being so not disclosable - so they haven’t been forgotten then DU have they? N C not accepting this before the break, let’s see where we are now…

WFTCHTJ....sigh

NC wants a short adjournment to look at the new emails. J says fine.

I would like to know WHEN Dr Upton stopped being male.
Was he male when he did his medical training?
Was he male when he married his presumably straight wife? If not, does he realise he deceived her?

When did the magical change happen? And what is it that changed? Was he always a woman?

What exact changes (apart from growing his hair and putting in earrings) occurred for him to now be an ACTUAL female?

Oh man adjournment

Adjournment!

Sorry late to the party - what is WFTCHTJ?

Watching from the comfort......?

Adjournment again,after all that!

I'm still WFTCHTJ but I thought that was because they are on lunch but now I see you are all still in the thick of it!

Waiting for the conference host to join

Dammit

NC telling JR to advise her client properly 😄

I am gutted I missed JR's mea culpa

Brilliant - this is what the judge needs as "evidence" of what the "typical person" thinks. I reckon the survey was done pre-hearing - I'd love to know what the results will be if the survey were to be taken again next month!?

It’s the outsourcing of responsibility to the patient. The patient must protest, even if they are semi conscious and traumatised but have already managed to put their request for women only to a Medic. They must find the energy to assess and potentially protest about every staff member they encounter. Never able to relax. Constantly hovering on the edge of trauma because medics can no longer be trusted.

And bearing the responsibility for ‘kicking up a fuss’ ‘being a bigot’.

Indeed Naomi, I do think Miss Russell should take the opportunity to remind her clients of the importance of disclosing all relevant documents! BURN

You would have thunk it would have sunk in by now.

I had to refresh page as I was getting picture but no sound. Now I'm back in the waiting page. What's happening?

how long is a 'short adjournement'?

When is Fife NHS going to be cross examined?

Ooooo...love me a YouGov poll😍

I've missed the morning and haven't caught up with the thread but trying to observe again and my pin is invalid. Is this a general problem or my tech please?

Hang in there folks I got in 5 mins ago so it is working!

Upton driving a huge bus over his colleagues and NHS Fife, and his KC