Public opinion turning against transgender ideology yougov poll

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https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

'a new YouGov study, the fourth in a series reaching back to 2018, shows an increased scepticism towards transgender rights across the board – and particularly in the two and a half years since our previous wave of this study.
Notable in this most recent study – conducted in mid-December – is the growing resistance on transgender rights among those groups that are typically more permissive on the issue, like women and young people.
In fact, the only question on which women now take the permissive view on transgender rights is saying that people should be able to change their gender socially, although at 55% this still represents an eight point drop since the 2022 survey.'

Well worth a read and hopefully a sign of the direction of travel with this issue.

Thanks for posting this here. The direction of travel has been clear for years but appears to be accelerating as people see what's actually being asked of them.

Notable in this most recent study – conducted in mid-December – is the growing resistance on transgender rights among those groups that are typically more permissive on the issue, like women and young people.

In fact, the only question on which women now take the permissive view on transgender rights is saying that people should be able to change their gender socially, although at 55% this still represents an eight point drop since the 2022 survey.

Does this assume people know what a transwoman and a transman are?
Memorably Robert Jenrick didn’t when he was on a mumsnet discussion - Justine had to correct him.
So ‘should a transwoman be allowed in a women’s changing room’ he would have probably said yes to as he would have thought a transwoman was a woman.

Interesting. I’m a fairly typical woke leftie, but I’m very much against people with penises having access to women’s safe spaces and competing against women in sport. It’s common sense that it would cause problems.

The more closely familiar Britons are with a transgender person, the more likely they are to be supportive of greater transgender rights across every question we asked. However, even among this group there are some transgender issues that are relatively sparsely supported, with, for instance, only 33% thinking trans women should be allowed to take part in women’s sporting events.

Full data for those who like number crunching!

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov--Transgenderstudyy2024.pdf

@helleofabore has documented the recent trends by percentage change prior to this survey.

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov-Transgenderstudy2024.pdf

This is a very interesting result.

I can only assume that Labour had access to this as it specifically asks about how to get a GRC.

On page 8

Currently transgender people who wish to change their legal gender on official documents (e.g. birth certificate) have to apply for a Gender Recognition
Certificate.

This requires someone to have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria from one doctor and approval from a second doctor, provide evidence they have lived in their new gender for at least two years, and make a declaration they intend to live in their new gender for the rest of their life. The application is then approved or rejected by a panel of legal and medical professionals.

In principle, do you think it should or should not be made easier for transgender people to change their legal gender?
Should be made easier (2022) 26% 19% (2024)
Should not be made easier 50% 63%
Don't know 25% 18%

Do you think a person should or should not have to obtain the approval of one or more doctors to change their legal gender?
Should have to obtain approval from one or more doctors (2022) 60% 70% (2024)
Should not have to obtain approval from one or more doctors approval 17% 13%
Don't know 24% 18%

And do you think a person should or should not have to provide evidence they lived in their new gender for at least two years before they able to change their legal gender? (2022) 59% 66% (2024)
Should have to show they have lived in their new gender for two years (2022) 59% 66% (2024)
Should not have to show they have lived in their new gender for two years (2022) 15% 12% (2024)
Don't know (2022) 26% 22% (2024)

It has been suggested that the current process be changed so that the approval of a second doctor is not required for a Gender Recognition Certificate. Do you
think the process should or should not be changed so that only the diagnosis from one doctor is

Should be changed so that only the diagnosis from one doctor is require 19% (2024)
Should continue to require that another doctor give their approval 63% (2024)
Don't know 18% (2024)

It has also been suggested that a person's application for a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) should no longer require approval by a panel of legal and medical professionals, but rather should be automatically granted if they meet all of the other requirements. Do you think the process should or should be changed so that approval by a legal and medical panel is no longer required?

Should be changed to automatically grant a GRC if all other requirements are met 22% (2024)
Should continue to require approval by a panel of legal and medical professionals 57% (2024)
Don't know 21% (2024)

The pdf version is very interesting reading.

Thanks for this. All I can say is thank fuck for older people. I will never dismiss the wisdom of the elders (without thinking it through thoroughly) ever again. Saying this as a not-that-long-ago-previous-young-person.

I think that if anyone actually believes that questioning gender identity and accommodations made by law and policy is 'far right' and 'Trump supporter' ... they really need to read this poll.

A majority of Labour voters are quite close to alignment with Tory voters on these issues as a general statement. We have been saying all along that this is not a left - right wing issue. This is an issue of interest across the political spectrum.

Maybe, just maybe, we will get less people making such thought terminating cliqued accusations in the future and more discussion.

I've not looked at the data directly but going by yougovs graph -

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it does seem that men are naturally more Gender Critical than women when they get to be anonymous about it. I've argued before that men generally don't believe any of this shite, but that we just tend to go along with it because we've not personally got any skin in the game, but don't want to put our heads above the parapet and risk our jobs / friendships etc.

I've found previously that the best way to get other men on side is not to try and peak them, but to point out exactly how this shit does actually affect them, whether it's their daughters at risk of attack in a toilet or their wife at risk of being injured in her weekly 5 a side.

Vimes This has indeed been the pattern since these tracking polls were started. And yes, this year's remains unchanged in that general aspect.

Turning against? I don't think general public opinion has ever been a majority for unfettered trans rights, has it?

It also assumes the public think the doctors validating certificates use the same definitions as they do. This has to be questioned after Upton’s evidence.

Turning against? I don't think general public opinion has ever been a majority for unfettered trans rights, has it?

That's just YouGov's framing.

It does validate what we've seen from Scotland, that the more these issues are talked about, the less popular the TRA position becomes.

Sport is an obvious Achilles heel, because your median Brit has a baseline sense of fairness, and on seeing a TW athlete on a podium towering over much smaller female athletes, that's when you get men taking interest and saying - hang on, that's like an adult man entering a primary school egg and spoon race.

There's a lot of consensus across the different tribes of voters, though the political class is another thing. It's well known that Conservative MPs are more socially liberal than Labour voters. So we depend upon political class people like Wes Streeting who are bright enough to read polls.

The biggest consistent difference, it seems to me, is with respondents who have trans people in their lives. That seems like common sense. Even if I think gender ideology is bollocks, I'd like the trans people I know to have a better life. I think there's an opportunity to draw a distinction between policies that might make trans people's lives better and the frankly bonkers prescriptions of TRAs.

Oh look. It turns out that more light and less heat made people turn in support women's rights, not turn against them. Take note, Lisa Nandy!

I hate it that results like these are weaponised by the TRA side as 'proof' that people are turning to the far right. End of discussion.

I had a conversation about exactly this at the weekend with a 'be kind' friend who thinks polls like this are yet more evidence of a far right swing in society.

It gives me the rage that support for women and girls is now dubbed as far right. And I'd feel the same if it was seen as far left or anything else. It's support for women's rights FGS.

This is a bit strange:
If a woman is good friends with a man, she would probably still not think he should go into women-only spaces or personally share a changing room or youth hostel room with her good friend.
Or she would, as he indeed is a friend, but she would see that this is not the case for all other women, so she wouldn't agree on their behalf because she understands the other women don't know him.

It's the "I'm an oppressed unicorn" approach causes the fuzzyness.

When you look at it question by question it is an interesting result.

those with trans people in their family had a stronger rate of support, as you expect. However, outside of the family, the impact of the answers of 'friends and colleagues' brought that support much more in line with those who didn't know trans people. I would have liked to have seen a further analysis done on that group without the family data included. If I had time I might have reworked the data, but I don't.

What I think it is safe to conclude is that family want their loved ones to be fully accepted, and to have full access to whatever treatment they want. However, friends and colleagues don't give the people who are transgender in their life that same degree of full and complete support.

Wings Over Scotland | The Front On The Volga have done a good piece on the poll, the optimistic conclusion is

"The dictators of “No Debate”, who buried dissent in flags and oppression, have been dashed against the gates of sanity and reality. The long and gruelling process of mopping up and rebuilding still awaits, but a brief period of rejoicing may be permitted."

Not asked: demanded. 4+4=5

I can't remember the statistic I read, but isn't it actually very low percentage of males that actually have surgery? Do they make that clear in the questions when they ask the public about this? If they don't I wonder how much the answers would change?

I think this is the right line -immediate family.

But part of that is probably that people with immediate family who identify as trans may already be more likely to be TRAs themselves. One of the families I know with a kid who transitioned at 16 includes a doctor who worked at a gender clinic, for example. Another is an autistic lady who was desperate to be right on about gender issues, and has an autistic daughter.

On the other hand, in families where the parents are skeptical it may be they try to resist if their kids are drawn into gender ideology.