NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #11

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10

Oh but yesterday he said he wasn't implying she's a bigot at all.

He was more affronted than intimidated IMO. How dare she??

I also agree. I don't have any personal reason to be anxious around male professionals and have had obstetric care and assessment of a breast lump carried out by male doctors without hesitation, but I would be very uncomfortable to have any care beyond, "Can you confirm your name and date of birth?" carried out by a male practitioner trying to masquerade as a woman.

If that makes me transphobic, I hold my hands up. I'm not going to be told to ignore my own visceral reactions around a man.

Hilarious that he thought emailing the BMA on Boxing Day would get a response.

They are notoriously opaque for getting individualised employment advice from an actual expert.

Sandie ruined his Christmas

very frightened, honestly

Well if he’s saying he went back into the women’s changing room- it wasn’t about whether he was safe was it.
“I decided I was entitled to be who I am.”

This, all day. The uppity old Karen NURSE said no to him. Unthinkable.

Sandie is 5ft 4 - he is 6FT!!!!!!!

That's 8 inches!

NC - so on Xmas eve you stood your ground, in early Xmas morn you were certain you don't feel safe when SP is there, but on 28th use CR anyway. Mixed messages, no?

BU - no, as I said, I was very afraid, very shakne, very distressed, freeaking out, trying to htink how I could keep safe from further aggression and hostlitiy. AFter speaking to family, contacted friend and gave general info about what happened, no name, no specificis, that I'd had an incident, would she accompany me, so that I'd feel safe. She chouldn't attend due to train issues. I thought I'd put my big girl pants on and be brave.

Upton: "I thought I'll put my big girl pants on and be brave"

I'm petrified of this happening; having a transwoman gyni. And me saying 'absolutely NO' and wondering what the hellfire backlash that'll bring on me but it's a hill I'll die on if I have to. It's horrifying to think poor SP going through this, on her own. 😑

I can't watch the live stream today as I'm working so thank you to all of you who are keeping us updated.💖

"put my big girls pants on" FFS.

Bigoted outburst for wanting a single sex space away from a 6ft man.

And he's the one who needs to feel safe?

This is DARVO.

and now 'Big Girl Pants'. He's gaslighting.

He said he put his big girl pants on!!😂

He put his big girl pants on to be brave!

I really don't want to hear him talking about his pants.

He's jumped the shark here, surely.

Hahaha 'unfortunately she was unable to attend"!!! - I bet she was, been mansplained into the ground probably!

The bloke is playing all the victim cards...... he sickens me

'I'll put my big girl pants on'

Pass the brain-bleach

He is so unspeakably pathetic.

Honestly what a prick.
Thought he was at risk of harm?!?

I physically shuddered as he talked about pulling his big girls pants 🤮

Did he really just say he 'needed to put his big girl pants on' and get on with it?!