NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #8

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7

A doctor is not required. What about people.who have home.births and register the birth (with a sex) without ever going near a hospital?

No, but you are supposed to be a medical doctor.

He shouldn't be allowed to know any 5 year olds.

Not a robot but his answers are ChatGPT level nonsense.

DU - Im a woman and my colleagues would agree with me (!!!!!!!)

Haha, he's weirdly trying to undefine five-year-olds now!

Because he was asked if a five year old would know the difference between male and female.

This, making his judgment unsafe and a risk to patients!

Surely it must be?!

Would he use male or female ranges when interpreting tests for a transwoman?

Would he prescribe drugs based on male or female needs for a transwoman?

Potentially very dangerous.

In the fullness of time he may find out how his protrate feels about that.

Or, he works in a&e, what would he do if Pete came in saying he was in labour?

It's all about power and control. He's loving it.

NC - insisting that SP and others accept you in the women's CR without showing discomfort, asking to pretend to be something you and tey both know is false

BU - no, that's not false, that's true. I'm a woman. I'm not forcing them not to be uncomfortable. I recognise they were uncomfortable .I didn't want to raise it further, raise a formal sanction purely because they were uncomfortable. They've chosenn non confrontation to manage discomfort, I'm nto going to force them to .... [missed]

I want NC to ask, "Dr Upton, do you have a willy or a winky?", but that's probably not sufficiently judicial.

It must be, surely.

That's the kind of nonsense India Willoghby spouts on Twitter. I can see where he is getting his arguments from now - how embarrasing.

His obs and gynae rotation will be interesting. I would not allow anyone near me who does not understand the difference between the sexes

NC - insisting that sp and colleagues accept you into their changing areas without any sign of discomfort you are forcing them to state something that isn't true

DU - no

NC - Insisting them to go along with something they consider false is bullying and harassment?

DU - no

NC - that insistence, that they pretend to believe something everybody knows is false is bullying/harrassment

BU - I haven't insisted - it isn't a falsehood, it's not bullying or harrassment

Brilliant bullying and harassment exactly

How can NHS fife want to keep this doctor under employment if their beliefs so defiantly contradict medical science

Why can't he find a way to manage the uncomfortableness?!! I'm raging. I think NC is too, her face is red.

It's one thing Bob from IT spouting this bullshit, and quite another for a practising doctor.

define willy or winky would be the response

I would like the Judge to remind DrU that he is under oath to tell the truth

Judge explaining to JR that it's not for him to dictate what questiuons are asked.

JR - intervention based on contravention on 1st Rspondent's bullying and harassment policy needs to be made clear