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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #8

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nauticant · 10/02/2025 10:54

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7

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bumbledenbarsk · 10/02/2025 12:55

He is so up his own arse

RobinEllacotStrike · 10/02/2025 12:55

RobinEllacotStrike · 10/02/2025 12:52

everytime DrU states "I'm not a man" and "I am a woman" the Judge needs to remind him he's on oath to tell the truth.

DrU knows he's lying, we all know he's lying, the judge knows he's lying.

This man is repeatedly lying under oath.

or are we to draw inference from this repeated lying and denial of reality?

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 12:55

The mental gymnastics involved to justify his behaviour to others is amazing! It probably makes sense In his head but out loud is la la land

eatfigs · 10/02/2025 12:55

He requested to use the women's changing rooms didn't he? Not instructed to.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 12:55

BU - that may have been her interpretation - even if an interest in what my gender idneity is

NC - you must have understood that even if she was mistaken, she was finding your presence threatening, beacuse she saw you as a man

BU - I can't tell - she may have different feelings about it, hadn't, I don't know what her feelings were. I could guess. I describe it as sad that somebody may be having feelingsbased on incorrect pssibly prejudiced judgement about myself, I can't be certain how she feels.

NC - despite knowing she's unhappy to find you there, you continieued to use the CR?

BU - yes

NC - despite knowing SP was upset

BU - no knowledge of what her feelings were, I've been told to get changed there, don't know SP's level of discomfort or her reasons for it. I need to get changed, that's the one I've been told to use. We discussed this with Dr Searle. I said it was uncomfortable

Any other member of staff uncomfortable changing in a group setitng is free to use another changing room

FriedGold32 · 10/02/2025 12:55

They should really set rules about the evidence that can be given in these courts, that people have to use words that actually mean certain things. One person is talking about cats while the other one just goes "well cats are dogs actually!", and everyone just has to go along with it instead of the judge telling them to stop talking rubbish, it's infuriating.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 12:55

NC - you're a man who wishes to be seen and treated as a woman

JR - object, too many questions. Male bodied might be disputed.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/02/2025 12:55

There's the super blinky face again.

CriticalCondition · 10/02/2025 12:55

'Instructed' to use this changing room.

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 12:55

NC trying to get him to nail down his definition of a transwoman

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2025 12:55

Surely all TW are by definition (even a TWAW definition) a cis man?

No, because I think they conceptualise that they are fundamentally not "cis" by virtue of their "trans" identity.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 12:56

Oh bog off

SameyMcNameChange · 10/02/2025 12:56

Oh my god this man is a doctor!!

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 12:56

NC - you're not a 'cis' woman, you're someone who has a biological [missed]

BU - the term biologically female is nebulous, no defined meaning in science, I'm not a robot, I am biological, I am biologically female.

CheekySnake · 10/02/2025 12:56

BUT YOU ARE AN EFFING DOCTOR UPTON

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 12:56

Did he just say he was biologically female??

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/02/2025 12:56

Im biologically female said the male doctor

musicalfrog · 10/02/2025 12:56

Cannot believe a fkn DOCTOR must came out with that 🤣🤣🤣

ThatsNotMyTeen · 10/02/2025 12:56

What an absolute wanker he is

bumbledenbarsk · 10/02/2025 12:56

Biologically female . NC stunned silence.

NotMaroonButRaspberry · 10/02/2025 12:56

BU - I am biologically female

Mollyollydolly · 10/02/2025 12:56

Any iota of sympathy I had is gone completely. A controlling man. It really is a way for men to take the piss and control everyone around them.

BettyBooper · 10/02/2025 12:56

DU - Biological male/ female is completely nebulous. I am biologically female (EH?????)

ghostofadog · 10/02/2025 12:56

Biological sex is nebulous??

mzdemeanour · 10/02/2025 12:56

Biologically male and biologically female are 'nebulous' - I've heard it all now

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